PygmyHero
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timestamp 73 minutes ish
With AJhh in IsacNL's spot I tend to call one more and re-evaluate the river. Is this burning one more BB? Against good players that know I can showdown ace high quite easily I will fold UI and against fish I will showdown ace high easily on brick rivers. On that 4 turn I pretty much snap call and absolutely need to see a river. Am I wrong??????
I know a the time of the video I felt differently, but as I think about this hand more and more I really really like Nina's analysis of this hand from both player's perspective. I don't think I can really add too much to it, but I would recommend you listen to it again.
Posted about 4 years ago
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PygmyHero
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I love these vids but the announcers should use the screen names exclusively, your calling dudes root beer , ginger ale, and shanniqua, I dont know who these dudes are and its hard to follow.
Gauss, you're right, but realize that it's hard for the commentators who often know the individuals mostly by their DC handles or even personally and find the Stars screen name very foreign.
Hopefully this will help:
1 seat: aumorgan on Stars, aumorgan on DC, and we might have referred to him as Michael
2 seat: lolzspeirs on Stars, speirs on DC, and I think we only referred to him as speair
3 seat: Adriennes on Stars, AdriennesRevnge on FTP, AdriennesRevenge on DC, we referred to her as Jess (and maybe once or twice as Jessica or Adri)
4 seat: IsacNL on Stars, Isac on DC, we only referred to him as Isac
5 seat: Boomer2k6 on Stars, Boomer on DC, we only referred to him as Boomer
6 seat: 2whodatdare on Stars, rootbeer2k on DC, we referred to him as whodat or rootbeer
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Isac
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Time Link to 00:57:23
lol-my fold there, it's not real - it didn't happen.
Really great analyzis on why not to 3bet here. I just wanna add that my perception of Speirs range was that I was wa/wb (though I cound't understand wtf he would coldcall preflop) So yeah, I totally agree that it's straight up bad - but not as bad as the soulread-fold that didn't happen.
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Isac
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Time Link to 01:06:33
Ignoring the fact I have Ak here I wouldn't mind a 3-bet from Isac here for the reasons I stated in the last vid where I made a loose-ish 3-bet with KTo stating that it'd be hard for me to get Jess to fold a better hand with KTo but 98s can play well in position and can get better hands to fold applying enough pressure.
Isac may have been reacting to the fact we think he's Oink-lite though so didn't feel like a light 3-bet vs a tight range which may be showdown bound.
Would like to get some thoughts on this
I totally agree with this, and am def. 3betting more than folding in this spot, something like 70/30 I think.
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PygmyHero
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Yeah really really bad raise by me.
Though it sound like it's a very bad excuse it was actually a misclick, IT'S NOT STANDARD FOR ME.
That's fair Isac. I mean, I think what you're saying is very believable.
That said, we didn't get into this on this hand, but I really think 3-betting Jess light EVERY time she opened from LP/SB (I know we pointed out 2-3 spots in the video) would have been a very viable strategy. I kind of wish this had happened just because I think it would have been a great challenge for Jess and I would have been interested to see how she adjusted.
Jess, I'm not saying that to pick on you - any one of you could have employed this strategy and it would have been fascinating. It's just that you happened to sit to Isac's right and he's the one I'm talking to right now.
So basically I could see 3-banging every hand Jess opens with a wide range (again, LP and SB), or just doing it liberally. So in the latter case I wouldn't pop a hand like 82s but would with a hand like 86s.
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Isac
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Very true, and something I wanted to do but never got to - afterall the cards have to fell right. One spot I missed was the 89s OTB where Boomer had AK.
Yeah, sure it's not a we wanna kill Jess issue - but we all know how she has developed from being an über nit to a somewhat standard TAG which is heavily the outcome of this awesome serie. IMO it would simply be great for her, and everyone else, to have had more preflop 3betting/capping - it's just so much cheaper than our normal games. And we even get to she if our range estimation was right or not.
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AdriennesRevenge
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Isac
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That's good to hear... I was pretty upset when I saw that lol !
Don't ever be upset by a isolated viewed bad play by your opponent, be happy IMO.
Jess seriously though, how would you continue with you range when you miss the flop? Say the flop comes all overcards to you PP, or you hold QJ and flop comes 258, or you got A6 and flop is TJ3?
It's not a funny set-up vs. a BB 3bet.
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Isac
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Time Link to 01:16:21
I 100% agree with you guys here, 33 is tooo loose.
Just 1 thing that made me raise it here was that all the other times I had opened from UTG I had picked up the BB's. IDK if they thought I had a tight range or was just not getting hands. However, 33 is def. taking it too far, and I would be happier to raise 87s here.
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PrettyUgly
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Sweet Jones! I learned more in the 4 hours of watching this home game video than I have in my 4 years of playing hold'em OR even in my 104 hours of watching other poker videos.
This format really lets you pack 6 times as much information into one video, and pausing to detail what the expected action should be was great.
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