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Bi Gro Land Lubbers study group ftw! Thanks Isac.

So, BTN in this hand is a spazzy, aggro fish. He likes to bluff big streets in bad spots, make bad river donks, etc. You know, solid play. If I CC pf, he will come in with a wide range.

btw, I just read an article a few days ago by Barry Tanenbaum about how he likes to just call with AK pf. lol. Interesting. (Not necessarily in this spot, I just thought it was funny.)

Cake Poker $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 6 players

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with A K
UTG raises, fold, Hero calls, Fish call, blinds fold

Flop: J Q T
UTG bets, Hero raises, Fish 3bets, UTG caps, Hero calls

Turn: Q
UTG bets, Hero calls, Fish calls

River: 9
UTG bets, Hero calls, Fish raises, UTG calls, Hero calls

UTG shows: K Q
Fish shows: K 5
Hero shows: A K
Hero wins.

Hero fist pumps...

lol how easy is it to get money on cake?

serious note well played i guess? i would've puked twice and probably folded the river

Holy fireballs (as my 5yo son likes to say), I would never fold this hand on Cake.

It's not hard to get money on Cake, but they charge fees for depositing and for withdrawl. And I think US players can only get paper checks at the moment. (Haven't taken money out yet from there.) I have read on 2+2 that they are prompt and don't see a lot of issues. Their support was actually fast and helpful when I needed advice on playing from MX but depositing from a US account.

Cake also has high rake. I just recently cleared my bonus there and have done well. However, there aren't many limit games running and you do need to table/seat select very well because of the rake. Also, get ready for some more aggro games (a lot of times spewy, but sometimes not).

I avoid HUHU here like the plague. Aggro/spazzy/spewy guys end up accidentally playing pretty well HU and rake is insane. Maybe if I'm Hypnotic and are a HU specialist.

Oh yeah, and the software tilts me hard. I have to watch this constantly. They do have a nice color/note system like FTP though. No hand histories though (it will create a "shareable webpage"), so you need to retype anything you want to post.

There is a pretty nice $20+2 LHE tournament every night. Runs about 10-20 people. Cake also has sport-betting player pools contracted somehow, so that's where the spew-tards come in. Also players from China, somehow, but not Europe that I can see.

I just read an article a few days ago by Barry Tanenbaum about how he likes to just call with AK pf. lol. Interesting. (Not necessarily in this spot, I just thought it was funny.)

His limit book was recommended by infinity in Passing the Torch episode 4. Anybody read it?

His limit book was recommended by infinity in Passing the Torch episode 4. Anybody read it?

Yup I've got it, it's pretty good and fairly well rounded. It does have a couple of controversial poitns and maybe sometimes over-generalizes things but it has a decent preflop guide (although he's horrifically nitty out of the SB) and gets over some important facts.

Cool thanks for the review Boomer. I might want to order a few books but I always want to wait until I have a lot to order at once because of the shipping costs.

Now that we are on the subject of books: what poker books did you read lately that must be in the library of every limit freak?

Now that we are on the subject of books: what poker books did you read lately that must be in the library of every limit freak?

Elements of Poker and that's about it. DC has already pretty much gone beyond what is in pretyt much any book. But I'd say Small Stakes Holdem, Winning in Tough Holdem Games and the Tanebaum book are the only 3 Limit Books I'd read although Weighing the Odds is alright if you like being hit in the face with a ton of maths.

Elements is still the one anyone should read though

Elements of Poker and that's about it. Winning in Tough Holdem Games

Elements is still the one anyone should read though

This definitely....

Please keep betting into the nuts...

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 91149
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is CO with Q J
UTG calls, MP calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls

Flop: (8.4 SB) 8 9 T (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls

Turn: (8.2 BB) 6 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG 3-bets, MP calls, Hero caps!, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls

River: (24.2 BB) K (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, MP folds, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls

Final Pot: 28.2 BB
UTG mucks 7 5
Hero shows Q J (a straight, Nine to King)
Hero wins 27.4 BB
(Rake: $0.40)

Hero shows KT
(Flop 12.0%, Turn 4.8%)

UTG shows AA
(Flop 9.0%, Turn 4.8%)

CO shows J8
(Flop 79.1%, Turn 90.5%)

Hero wins $18.25

Wow - congrats on playing perfectly.

villain is 67/0/AF27% over 50 hands or so. he had really done nothing but call so when he donked on the turn i got lost. raise turn for any reason? also, what about river? 8 makes str8 come in with any 7 he has also.

I don't think I'd raise the turn either. He could have had 2 s or 87 on the turn. But then I don't understand the river check. Do you really think he's thinking of x/r if he's that passive? I'm inclined to believe he missed a draw somehow?

Lysistrata, it's fun when you only need to click "raise" every single time on a hand. (poor MP & BB, lol.)

l... o... l... open limp AA, overlimp J8o... entire postflop.

good times. Man, people suck on paired boards.

after thinking about it for a second, I may seriously consider checking the turn. Few reasons in my head. Thoughts?

So did I, but when no raise got in on the flop I was pretty sure I had the best hand - else I would find out in a few seconds

villain is 67/0/AF27% over 50 hands or so. he had really done nothing but call so when he donked on the turn i got lost. raise turn for any reason? also, what about river? 8 makes str8 come in with any 7 he has also.

Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 90039
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is UTG with A Diamond Q Diamond

I agree with BG here and would B/F - I'm pretty sure we are ahead 50%, but when a PASSIVE guys donks this turn, damnit it's just something we don't like. That said he got 2nd pair+FD+outs to 2pait and trips, if he had A9x.
Also I think that he is check-raising here like 0-5% because he should be afraid of missing the river bet when you check behind?

UTG shows: KClub QClub
Fish shows: KSpade 5Spade
Hero shows: A Spade K Heart
Hero wins.

This is a little strange I think - and all players action makes sence IMO. That said I would raise the turn if I felt that the fish would never fold - unless I was pretty sure that the fish would raise it for me. Thing is, we loose to TT,JJ,QQ,QT,QJ everything else we beat-but doesn't have that good equity vs. On the river everything makes sence aswell and we now loose to 99+Q9 aswell.

Anyway I think the hand is played fine special as it was 3ways.

I'll come back to the last posts when I get home tomorrow

PS: Books, Elements of Poker as said, and the DandB limit books (tannenbaum) + the Stox book.

Anyway I think the hand is played fine special as it was 3ways.

Yeah, our discussions here about Turn equity really made me reconsider raising the Turn. I wanted to keep the fish in and didn't want to get reraised. UTG was a decent player and would respond 'well,' and the presence of the FD wasn't stellar either. On the river, I'm just not folding and clicking 'call.'

funny... this leads me to my next post.

Penanace Post:

So I've been playing and running well for the past 3 months, really. (DC ftw) My personality is such that I need to constantly watch my tilt and my feelings of 'entitlement' to a pot... as I'm sure most of you here relate with. Hell, we have a study group within a training site. lol. (Pimp, imo.) I have been doing great with meditation to control tilt, etc.

Anyway, so I got destroyed by the loose-passives last night. I had like 3 flopped straights busted by bullshit. 2 SNGs taken away from me by bullshit. (Whatever, end rant.) Regardless, it's nothing, really.

So I'm pissed and quit FT and shutdown my computer quickly, planning to go to sleep. Well, 5 minutes later I realize that I was already registered for another SNG and didn't 'un'register. *sigh* So now I need to reboot and check. Sure enough, it had just started. Okay, no problem, I thought. I had already considered this money 'spent' since it wasn't in my cashier balance as I grumble before shutting down, so I thought, FREEROLL. lol. not really, but whatever = tilt control. So, I'm bored with the one table at the start of the SNG and open a full ring table.

A few hands in, 5ways, I flop a straight again. I'm like, WOOT. It gets jammed on the flop, etc. HU to the river, the board fucking runner, runners my exact cards to the straight, killing me to any K, but I click 'bet' anyway in tempo like a retard. As soon as the river hits, I'm like, W...T...F! and look away from the screen, cursing the LP gods, and I hear the other player's "raise" jingle. I look back and click MUCK disgusted... and 5 seconds later realize that the board was 5 straight (some reason I thought it was 4 straight in my tilted haze) I probably just folded half of the pot away.

Oh well. I'm a good poker play and just wanted to post for the little public embarrassment to sear the lessons of yesterday into my head. I don't deserve to win, as Tommy would say, so I need to 'get over myself.' Just because we are good at poker doesn't mean we are going to win. Not in one session or week or whatever.

Regardless, I do fully believe I am lucky AND good, so bring it on, Loose-Passive Douchertons!

lol.

ciao.

PS. I got second in the "freeroll" SNG, so there's karma giving me a kiss goodnight.