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Melville

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improva

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Spewed a little... But it was fun... cliff notes.. when they raise they are never bluffing... I tried to rebluff with shoves Smile

Posted about 4 years ago

jonk

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Spewed a little... But it was fun... cliff notes.. when they raise they are never bluffing... I tried to rebluff with shoves Smile



Yes, they still don't really bluff at 50NL. You learn that one pretty quickly Wink

I guess I'll give it a try next time for like 15 min and make sure I don't spew too much.

Posted about 4 years ago

improva

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All I can say is that Look Mom no Hands! is rendering.

Posted about 4 years ago

improva

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improva

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Look Mom no hands!

At little boring but maybe instructive? ... who knows Smile

Posted about 4 years ago

rocketragz

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Hey that was actually a really good video with some great info about reading your opponents, position & skill from an angle obv not seen much.

+1 imo

Posted about 4 years ago

improva

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Hey that was actually a really good video with some great info about reading your opponents, position & skill from an angle obv not seen much.

+1 imo



I'm glad that you liked it. I tried to show what I focus on when I do that exercise.

Posted about 4 years ago

Constantin

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I'm glad that you liked it. I tried to show what I focus on when I do that exercise.



Definitely worth a watch (or more).

Posted about 4 years ago

jonk

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I'm glad that you liked it. I tried to show what I focus on when I do that exercise.



Definitely what I was looking for! Thanks a lot!

Posted about 4 years ago

improva

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Definitely what I was looking for! Thanks a lot!



Did you watch it?

Posted about 4 years ago

OMGGeorgeBaker

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I like double barreling on KJTtt Turn Q In my opinion double barreling is better because I think there are more combo's in villain's range which consists off pair + OESD compared to his Ax range.

LOL @ Q9 hand...

Definitely worth watching difference between board texture, developing reads on players are pretty well explained .

Posted about 4 years ago

improva

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I like double barreling on KJTtt Turn Q In my opinion double barreling is better because I think there are more combo's in villain's range which consists off pair + OESD compared to his Ax range.

LOL @ Q9 hand...



Mja.. you are prolly right. But these 50NL bastards seems to bluff catch a lot with two pairs... soooo pretty ... tank ... call..
ME WTF.. FOOOOOLD.. please?? Smile

Posted about 4 years ago

cjpoker22

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Here are my answers to questions. Am I right in thinking in that these adjustments are very few hands in difference? Feel free to agree or rip me apart. Smile

4. We are oop vs 3 better- I would tighten up my raising range quite a bit and probably fold most maginal hands 22-77, suited cards below qjs and most better broadway offsuits except maybe aj0 and aqo. Could we limp/call as alternative? It keeps the pots smaller and lets us have relative position on the raiser and likely closing the action? We can also leave the table if this becomes a problem. 3betting light is an option for maybe hands like 88-jj, aqo+, ajs+ and ak. I would probably 4bet qq most of the time and slowplay kk and aa and then take pots away from him post flop.

We are in position I'm still tightening my range but there are more hands with which I am comfortable calling ie a wider range of hands that I had raised. Most suited broadway hands, pocket prs99+, off suit broadways (KJ, KQ). Since he is raising alot of prs and axs and whatever type hands our hands can play well postflop. Little pockets where we are likely facing 2 or more overcards would lose strength as we are behind with 2 outs too often on flop.

In regards to check raising I would probably bet less hands for pot control ie the bottom of my range that didn't hit the flop, but I could bet more top prgk hands that can take the heat of a raise, but I would bet a smaller bet size to blend my lesser hands more with my strong holdings and to pot control.

He probably wants to just take down the flop when we cbet and miss so when we miss and by checking we can keep him from knowing what we have as often. If we also check back some monsters on the flop and raise a potential turn lead then we can keep him from playing back so much. Can we 3bet bluff more flops too? @nd pr type hands.

5. On the flop I think we simply bet more marginal hands for value. 2nd pr types etc that can't take the heat of a raise but we still want to protect, but can also get value from. These hands that we would check back vs an aggressive player.

I think we also really tighten our range pf if he is raising us pf as he is mostly doing it for value with a good hand. But I would be widening my range of opening hands as we will know when he has a good hand so likely will only run us out of pots when he does have better hands. With my monsters I would raise him back more pf as he is convinced he has a good hand and might overvalue his good hand because he only raises for value.

6. I'd defintiely 4 bet bluff the 13% raiser more. Even though he shoves with a wider range there are 64 combos in his range of hands that he will shove with vs the 9% 3better that shoves only 48 combos. tht ratio is 1.33, but the ratio of hands that the !3% 3bettor 3bets with is 13 vs 9% which is a ratio of 1.44. So .11 of the time our 4bet bluff will be more effective.

7. Weak players become weaker under pressure. That's why they are weak, but when they make a stand they usually have the goods. Weak players can be run over and run over and they will seldom proceed very far without a very very good hand. They also vbet less and less often because they don't want to have to fold again.

8. Aggressive players become tighter as well, but in a different way. They will become quieter for awhile, but tend to become frustrated. They are more apt to make a stand earlier and with more marginal holdings earlier in pots. They might also go into call down mode where they are not folding but trying to showdown a hand that has some strength but will call multiple vbets. Play sheriff is the term no?

Posted about 4 years ago

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