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Improva. I gave your analysis another read, and was hoping you would elaborate on " we are going to flop bluff catchers most of the time."

Thanks

StnB

Improva. I gave your analysis another read, and was hoping you would elaborate on " we are going to flop bluff catchers most of the time."

Thanks

StnB

When villain fires one or multiple barrels at K-high or Q-high flops we are check-calling since we can't really check-raise for value. Well against some players we can. Check-calling is bluff catching since we don't beat many hands that he is betting for value.

When villain fires one or multiple barrels at K-high or Q-high flops we are check-calling since we can't really check-raise for value. Well against some players we can. Check-calling is bluff catching since we don't beat many hands that he is betting for value.

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Party Poker $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 104319
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG+1: $190.00
MP1: $265.00
MP2: $200.00
Hero (CO): $203.00
BTN: $200.00
SB: $272.10
BB: $229.40
UTG: $219.30

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with T T
2 folds, MP1 raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, 3 folds

Flop: ($15.00) 6 K 9 (2 players)
MP1 bets $8.00, Hero calls $8

Turn: ($31.00) 5 (2 players)
MP1 bets $24.00, Hero folds

Villian is WCG|rider, multitabler. Playing 27/22/5. History with villian : I have been 3betting in position against villian quite frequently and decide to tighten up my 3betting range and call here (other factors: fish in the SB), backshoving if BB raises.

Flop : standard call imo

Turn : Does not bring any scare cards. ??? I believe that villian isn't putting me on TPGKs because of our history when I only call PF.

I feel that calling here and folding if he bets the river is pretty bad. Other options include shoving over any river bet since I can rep a set here pretty easily and villian is most likely to bet fold any K and can only call with sets.

Decided to fold turn.

Whats best? Call/raise/fold?

Party Poker $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 104319
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG+1: $190.00
MP1: $265.00
MP2: $200.00
Hero (CO): $203.00
BTN: $200.00
SB: $272.10
BB: $229.40
UTG: $219.30

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with T T
2 folds, MP1 raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, 3 folds

Flop: ($15.00) 6 K 9 (2 players)
MP1 bets $8.00, Hero calls $8

Turn: ($31.00) 5 (2 players)
MP1 bets $24.00, Hero folds

Villian is WCG|rider, multitabler. Playing 27/22/5. History with villian : I have been 3betting in position against villian quite frequently and decide to tighten up my 3betting range and call here (other factors: fish in the SB), backshoving if BB raises.

Flop : standard call imo

Turn : Does not bring any scare cards. ??? I believe that villian isn't putting me on TPGKs because of our history when I only call PF.

I feel that calling here and folding if he bets the river is pretty bad. Other options include shoving over any river bet since I can rep a set here pretty easily and villian is most likely to bet fold any K and can only call with sets.

Decided to fold turn.

Whats best? Call/raise/fold?

When do you expect villain to become honest?
Would you be willing to turn TT into a bluff against him?

jl78, what is villains turn-cbet? And even a villain who gives up on the turn a decent amount will barrel a ton here to fold out our medium PPs, floats, second pairs and so on (because the flop is so dry, that your turn-range becomes inelastic). Calling flop folding turn then looks like the worst line you can take here.

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call 2 streets IP, people doesnt 3barrel bluff that often OOP when they face a caller on 2 street on a K mostly dry board but since your hand look like what it is, he is maybe smart enough to try to push you out of the hand

Fold if he fire the river

Finally am getting around to replying, I'll make a post for each question as the discussion could get a bit large for one post.

4. We are oop vs 3 better- I would tighten up my raising range quite a bit and probably fold most maginal hands 22-77, suited cards below qjs and most better broadway offsuits except maybe aj0 and aqo. Could we limp/call as alternative? It keeps the pots smaller and lets us have relative position on the raiser and likely closing the action? We can also leave the table if this becomes a problem. 3betting light is an option for maybe hands like 88-jj, aqo+, ajs+ and ak. I would probably 4bet qq most of the time and slowplay kk and aa and then take pots away from him post flop.

We are in position I'm still tightening my range but there are more hands with which I am comfortable calling ie a wider range of hands that I had raised. Most suited broadway hands, pocket prs99+, off suit broadways (KJ, KQ). Since he is raising alot of prs and axs and whatever type hands our hands can play well postflop. Little pockets where we are likely facing 2 or more overcards would lose strength as we are behind with 2 outs too often on flop.

In regards to check raising I would probably bet less hands for pot control ie the bottom of my range that didn't hit the flop, but I could bet more top prgk hands that can take the heat of a raise, but I would bet a smaller bet size to blend my lesser hands more with my strong holdings and to pot control.

He probably wants to just take down the flop when we cbet and miss so when we miss and by checking we can keep him from knowing what we have as often. If we also check back some monsters on the flop and raise a potential turn lead then we can keep him from playing back so much. Can we 3bet bluff more flops too? @nd pr type hands.

I don't think we should be adjusting our preflop range. If we have a standard preflop range already, it should be fine. What we need to do instead is cbet with air less, and then when we do cbet for value, we need to make the bets larger.

So to answer the question, our range adjustment is made postflop. We remove the bottom of our range and keep the top part of our range. How this relates to our preflop is that if we are open-raising with 22, or calling from the BB with 22, we are set mining. If we miss, that is now our bottom of the range, which we remove. But if we hit, we can make a cbet, and when he raises, we can re-raise him. He may have TP and feel committed after raising a bigger than standard cbet, so we can get his entire stack.

As for 3bet bluffing flops. It may work, but I think we get more value by value 3betting as he may feel committed, and if he calls our 3bet bluff with 2nd pair, he most likely won't be folding it to bets on later streets.

5. On the flop I think we simply bet more marginal hands for value. 2nd pr types etc that can't take the heat of a raise but we still want to protect, but can also get value from. These hands that we would check back vs an aggressive player.

I think we also really tighten our range pf if he is raising us pf as he is mostly doing it for value with a good hand. But I would be widening my range of opening hands as we will know when he has a good hand so likely will only run us out of pots when he does have better hands. With my monsters I would raise him back more pf as he is convinced he has a good hand and might overvalue his good hand because he only raises for value.

On the flop not only can we bet marginal hands for value, we can bet our air as well on dry flops. In fact, betting 100% of our range on dry flops should be good, because if we are beat, he will let us know.

On wetter flops, a similar strategy should work. Except for overpairs and TPTK, we can easily fold when he raises (with what will be the top of his range). If we have TPTK or an overpair, I would call to evaluate the next street. If he is rarely bluffing here, then I don't expect him to continue betting after his semi-bluff gets called and his draw doesn't complete. If he does bet when the draw doesn't complete, he is probably doing this with something that needs protection (TP, 2 pair, set) and can make a decision on this information. If he continues to bet when the draw completes, we can assume he got his draw and fold.

Once again, I don't know what preflop adjustments should be done... we can always play poker postflop with our standard preflop range.

6. I'd defintiely 4 bet bluff the 13% raiser more. Even though he shoves with a wider range there are 64 combos in his range of hands that he will shove with vs the 9% 3better that shoves only 48 combos. tht ratio is 1.33, but the ratio of hands that the !3% 3bettor 3bets with is 13 vs 9% which is a ratio of 1.44. So .11 of the time our 4bet bluff will be more effective.

I believe there was a comment by someone else that did the ratio of fold:shove.

Player B was folding slightly more than Player A. So 4-bet bluffing Player B is better imo. This doesn't count for them calling our 4-bets, so if they are doign that to, we would have to re-calculate their fold to non-fold ratio, instead of their fold to 5-bet ratio.

(EDIT: Changed the "fold to shove ratio" to "fold to 5bet ratio".)

7. Weak players become weaker under pressure. That's why they are weak, but when they make a stand they usually have the goods. Weak players can be run over and run over and they will seldom proceed very far without a very very good hand. They also vbet less and less often because they don't want to have to fold again.

I had trouble with this question... Your answer sounds pretty good.

Here is what I made for my answer:

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A weak player will tighten their range and remove more bluffs from their range, so when they are cbetting, it is probably because they hit the flop somehow.They will start to play back when they have actual hands, so unless we have a strong hand at that time, we should not be continuing against their aggression.
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I didn't consider that they would be value betting less. If that is the case, then with the hands that they should be value betting, they are going to check/call us. So if we see them check/calling, we can put them on a stronger hand than usual, can't we? Especially if it is a dry flop. On wet flops, they could have a stronger hand and are afraid to bet for protectcion/value or drawing. Not sure what that means we should be doing though.

8. Aggressive players become tighter as well, but in a different way. They will become quieter for awhile, but tend to become frustrated. They are more apt to make a stand earlier and with more marginal holdings earlier in pots. They might also go into call down mode where they are not folding but trying to showdown a hand that has some strength but will call multiple vbets. Play sheriff is the term no?

Another question that I had trouble with. I think my answer is pretty similar to yours. Hopefully that means we are right


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When an aggressive player faces aggression, they will temporarily pause up and tighten their range. They will continue to cbet their air, but will get frustrated when they are getting raised. Eventually they will start to play back with more mediocre hands and drawing hands.
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I don't think we should be adjusting our preflop range. If we have a standard preflop range already, it should be fine. What we need to do instead is cbet with air less, and then when we do cbet for value, we need to make the bets larger.

Can't really agree with this, jonk. These adjustments lead to turn you into playing fit or fold postflop, what we have to avoid.

Can't really agree with this, jonk. These adjustments lead to turn you into playing fit or fold postflop, what we have to avoid.

I don't see why that is bad though. When we flop TP against someone so aggressive, we can get more money in, and that should be making up for the times we fold when we miss.

If you tighten your preflop range, you will still end up in flops where there are over cards and you are still being raised and you don't have a TP hand.