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Moneytrain to Midstakesville: Episode Two

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Moneytrain to Midstakesville: Episode Two by jk3a

Jk3a and TecmoSuperBowl continue their railway adventure to the midstakes. This week they review Tecmo's play at 100NL 4-tabling.

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Beginning at 100NL, jk3a will show TecmoSuperBowl how to realize his goals and break free of small stakes into a bigger world.

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Tonic1223

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Quiz Answer:

I think making a bet of something like $15-20 is going to be best. Reason being is that villains range isnt very strong at all here after checking to us twice after 3betting and firing a cbet. I think the only way we can get value from our hand is to get villain to herocall a small bet with a hand like TT or JJ, maybe KQs; or get villain to spazz bluff vs our small bet with his AK,AJ. If villain had AA or KK i would expect him to barrel since the board is very dry so it comes down to how to extract the most vs his very weak range. And thats by getting a herocall/making villain spazz bluff.

Posted almost 3 years ago

MPHansen

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Around 6mins at the start when you guys are talking about the KQ hand. I felt like you guys were making too many assumptions about how a guy you only have a 100 hands on is playing postflop. Some guys are nitty preflop and postflop, but then some nits just go nuts postflop. I'd be pretty surprised to see anyone just flat the nut flush draw in that spot.

Quiz I think something like $15ish is probably best and hope he just makes some bad call w/ Ahigh which is the majority of his range. Or decides to turn something into a bluff.

Posted almost 3 years ago

antique_pub

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Quiz answer:

Since it's bb vs a tightish utg, villain's range is pretty much only JJ+ and AK, with a slight amount of air and possibly TT. Flop is still 100% of his range. Since he checked both turn and riv we can completely discount AA-KK (and AsKs) since he would have gone for value on at least one of those streets. So his river range is exclusively JJ, some TT, AK, and a small bit of air. He'll never have a monster here. Our turn check may make our perceived range slightly weaker, but he could assume that we might pot control KQ/AQ vs his potential KK+, so our perceived range is still somewhat strong.

This is a spot where it's going to be hard to make any money no matter what. Some advocate an overbet to rep a bluff and induce a call from JJ/AK. However, we will almost never show up with total air here, so a bluff is just not credible. I'd bet $10 here. Sure it's unbalanced, but it will get calls from JJ/TT and even AK a fair amount. 10 BB is nothing to sneeze at, and lightning may strike 0.1% of the time when he c/r AA-KK or goes nuts with a river c/r bluff.

BTW, while i don't think the turn c/bh is terrible, i much prefer a turn bet. A lot of players are paranoid about floats in 3-bet pots, and repping a float is the best way to stack KK+, AsKs, or get a call from JJ. If he has air, well, there's just not much he can catch up with except an A or a J, and most players would not go bet-check-bet on a bluff. A turn bet looks so damn floaty, and there's no way he's c/folding an overpair.

Posted almost 3 years ago

Acombfosho

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Quiz: Pot bet river, polarize your range here to nuts and nothing. He will more likely put you on nothing and hero call when you pot bet river than when you valuebet 1/2 pot

Posted almost 3 years ago

blah234

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Quiz answer is villan dependent. Vs someone that I have read on who is hero call happy its a shove on the river. Vs unknown guy in this case I would bet something like 5BB and hope to get a curiosity call from the villan. You rep almost no bluffs in your range when you bet the river since all your floats would likely bet the turn and try to take it down. Your line only rep a thin value bet such as TT, JJ. Villan obviously has a very weak hand and shouldn't call any bigger bet since the good bluff catchers in his range like JJ,TT would likely not cbet the flop.

I think its better to bet the turn and rep a float in this case since you can get aggressive LAGs to shove over your turn bet if he turned some backdoor equity.

Posted almost 3 years ago

cypher23

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Nice vid again.

Quiz
Following the action prior to our riverbet I would say the villians range is tilted towards AK, JJ, TT, with a possibility of a very strange play with 99. He probably puts us on some kind of showdown hand, like AQ, KQ or a float with JJ, TT. If we show some kind of weakness in our bet on river, we might induce a spazz with AK, and probably a call from JJ and TT. I therefore would bet about 18-20, giving him room to shove over.

Posted almost 3 years ago

GML

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Answer to quiz: We open UTG and call a 3 bet from the BB. Our perceived range should be fairly strong here, consisting a lot of medium to high pocket pairs (88+), strong suited connectors (89s-kqs), slowplayed big pairs (JJ-AA), and sometimes AK or AQ/AJs.

Once we call his flop bet on Q35r, our perceived range is all our made hands that could bluffcatch (all pairs less than Q), any hand that has a pair of Q or better (overpairs, set of QQQ), and occasionally a float, however, because of the nature of the board, namely, two low sort of dangly cards that can't connect to any reasonable calling range we could have, most of our "floats" are more of value calls with hands like AQ/AK, and our only pure floats might be hands like TJs with both backdoor straight draw and backdoor flush draw (a very minor point, as this is such a small part of our range).

When he checks the turn, his value hands can be discounted somewhat, because the majority of our range will check back the turn (not strong enough to value bet), but it can't be discounted completely, because we do have some floats/might bet some hands for thin value/protection, etc.. When we check back the turn, our range leans heavily towards made hands that will often win at showdown but can't value bet the turn (so overpair hands are discounted somewhat, as well as pure floats can also be discounted, however, if a pure float picked up a draw on the turn, it would be more likely to check back the turn so as to not get check raised off its equity and be able to gain more information by the river as well as to rep a wider/thinner value range if checked to on the river. However, like I mentioned, floats are a very small part of our perceived range, and almost all our range is made up of weakish made hands that are likely to be good at showdown but can't bet for value (as weak as 88 or AJ, and as strong as QK).

Once he checks the river, we have to assume he has a hand that can't value bet the river, since he has no reason to expect us to be that river (no draws existed on the flop that could have missed, we likely dont have a hand we will try to value bet thinly, etc.). Most of his hand range by the river is air, although sometimes it will be air that has some showdown value, with a hand like AK.

The problem with us betting is that we can't represent air very easily, and, if we represent a value hand like a Q with a standard bet, he should be folding almost every hand in his range. To get any sort of a call, we have to represent either a thin value bet that might cause him to spazz-out and raise, or a hand of our own that we are turning into a bluff trying to get him off of a hand like JJ or TT. I don't believe an overbet shove is likely to be called at all, because it looks exactly like we slowplayed a set of QQ or have AA and got tricky on the turn, or we had an unlikely hand like 56s or a5s that tripped up on the river. It is simply too unlikely of a line to take with a hand that was going for thin value or was turning itself into a bluff to call that flop, check back turn, and overbet shove the river (the reason it is unlikely is that, if we had a hand like AJ that wanted to turn its marginal showdown value into a bluff on that river, there would be no need to represent the very top of our range with an overbet, because he likely cannot beat ANY hand that will value bet, so it makes more sense to rep a wider, and thus more credible value range, with a normal sized bet). Because of this, I think a very small bet work work best (1/3 of the pot or so), representing a hand like QJ or JJ going for thin value, and possibly allowing him to shove over, representing an overpair played tricky, or not even caring about what he is representing and shoving anyway. For what it's worth, I dont think ANY bet is likely to get action on this river, and I think the vast majority of the time he will just be folding. But, I feel that this is our best chance to make any extra money.

Posted almost 3 years ago

MrTrocks

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Hi first of all i want to say that this series is very good. Thank u for the vids. Now the answer:

preflop:
in villians range with 29/25 and 12% 3b i think he could have pairs 66+, A10+, KQs, AQ. Somethimes like Axs or some suited connecters,
flop:
villian will nearly 90%+ conti bet here.
When tecmo called the cbet, phil could give him some hands with showdown value like 1010, JJ, AQ,KQ, some floats or strong hands.

Turn: after the 9 and villians check, i think this could be for some reasons:
-cr with KK,AA maybe AQ (well we have to discount AQ hand there are only 3combos) or sets
-weaker hands like small/middle pairs
-even a bluff he want to give up.

But i think that villian would bet KK+ or a set. So this looks like a pair 66,77,88,1010,JJ or a give up hand (99 would be nice for a cr here if he saws tecmo in a few hand call flop / bet turn after a check)

River
After tecmo check back the turn and villian checks the river. I do not think that villian has a set or a valuehand here. I would prefer that he has air or even some smaller pairs like 66,77,88,1010,JJ.

Betsize
We have two options here: shove to polarize or small to induce or to get a call

Well there is not a draw that busted so with AK,JJ,1010 i dont think that villians maybe thinks: "okay i have AK,JJ,1010 here. he could have a busted fd so lets make a herocall"
And for that reason i do not prefer a big bet. i would like a small bet from tecmo lets say like 16-19. Thats for three reasons:

-If villian really has a strong hand like 99, AA KK (i dont really think he dos) he would shove
-If villian had like 1010,JJ he could call
-and maybe somethimes (depends on the river af) he shove his air as a pure bluff to get hero out of hands like 1010,JJ KQ

Posted almost 3 years ago

DiggerTheDog

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Quiz:
Effective stacks 103bb
UTG 24/20 Tag
BB 29/25 3b 12 Cb 90
3bet pot
3Q5 rainbow Turn 9 river 5

PF Ranging
Hero PFR : ~ 22+,ATs+,KJs+,QJs,JTs,T9s,AQo+,KQo
Villians 3bet OOP out of Blinds value range : JJ+,AQs+,AKo
Villians 3bet Bluff range :55-22,T9s,98s,87s
Heros 3bet Call range:77+,AQs+,KQs,JTs,T9s,98s,AKo

Note on PF:
(1) 120 sample size is too small for converged 3bet stat. Indeed we may not have seen him 3bet out of blinds vs non steal range let alone UTG vs Reg.
(a) Given it is 100NL
(b) Given it is vs UTG range
(c) Given no showdown information indicating a bluff 3-bet range in this spot
(d)No read or dynamic suggesting bluff range.
Conclusion: Its possible that he has some randomised bluff. Its possible that he 3-bets wider than ascribed but I think most likely he is only doing this for value and a very tight range of JJ+AK as most likely range.
2. Hero's percieved flat calling range: Is likely to be perceived as capped but nonetheless villian can easily assume that at least some of the time Hero might flat KK+ AK with some frequency. Finally - Hero is showing a F3 of 51 and is in position so Villian may or may not know that Hero likely see flops alot to 3B IP.

Flop: 3Q5 rainbow

Comment:
Villian has a 90% c-bet (albeit small sample)
Dry Board
3bet pot
We should assume that villian will c-bet this board all the time.
Given it is a 3-bet pot and UTG vsBB and a dry board where we cannot represent much if we either raise or float.
Our range becomes composed mostly if not exclusively strong value and bluff catchers. We would need more image/reads or dynamic to believe that our perceived range has alot of floats on this board.

Turn: Once he checks I think villian is pot controlling the bottom of his value range and is likely turning them into bluff catchers. I am unsure whether his AA type holdings would be checking the turn with a view to c/r or to get two sts by b/c/b rather than b/b/c.
River: Once he gets a bricked pairing river - I think of the times he has an overpair and went for either a turn c/r or a b/c/b line that I would expect that he would be bet/folding or bet/calling the river as I do not think any 5x is in your perceived hand range thus villians relative hand strength is unchanged by the board pair except that it makes it less likely you now have a set.

My conclusion:
- His range is now either giving up or is bluff catching. I think of the times he has bluff 3bet range PF he would have probably continued with aggression on the turn. But we heavily discounted that for reasons stated above.
- I think his bluff catching range should actually c/f here. But do I expect 100NL LAGgy type players to always give up. No I think they prolly still call too much.
- I also think that he is likely to be aware that his range now is not strong.

Which leads me to believe that we should not look like our bet is strong value mainly because even though we can place a polarising bet-size - we just do not have that many floats to begin with on Q53r.
I also think that we prolly can expect to bet JJ-77 here for value.
So given that I think his PF range is strong AND A the same time __>
Given that I think he will not mind bluff catching the bottom of his range with a high frequency as a 100NLer.

I would price my bet to look like a thin value bet.( Baluga called this quasi thin-value bet where we have the board so crushed that even though we have a monster there as so few hands that can call us - its effectively thin value although we hold the nuts).
$20-$25 dollars Would be my price to bluff catch for villian.

Final thought - if he wants to spazz c/rai the river I think $20 gives him the illusion of FE - Although I heavily discount him doing it.

Hope that is a better effort Smile

Posted almost 3 years ago

DiggerTheDog

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Would have been really helpful to know this BEFORE last night. Thanks for telling me now Digger. Jerk.

jk Smile I'm trying to guard against playing when tired and such, but I also have to get in volume when I can. Those two are currently battling and I'm still trying to find the sweet spot. Luckily I stopped before I did any serious damage to my roll last night.




Just speaking from experience thats all.
Significant change in no. of tables and combined with increased times playing or longer session can be a recipe for disaster.

I would also state that I think very successful mass-tablers like nanonoko are outliers.
I am not sure if I actually heard him say this or w/e
But I would be very suprised if he did not have a childhood heavily biased towards video gaming where conditioned training of hand/eye skillsets as well as pattern recognition is likely to have taken place.
If you were to theoretically hothouse a child to becoming an elite mass-tabler, alongside training in maths, getting them to play tonnes of video games would be a great place to start.

Sorry for thread Hijack Smile

Posted almost 3 years ago

Sneakers

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Time Link to 00:36:25

Great example of using PokerStove to analyze a hand-situation!
Would like to see more of this. THANKS!

Posted almost 3 years ago

Sneakers

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Time Link to 00:46:29

QUIZ (homework)
answer to be given in next episode.

I like these little quizzes.
Thanks!

Posted almost 3 years ago

StoppingFist

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Time Link to 00:24:32

You recommend cbet w/ KT on low boards. Do you barrel low turn cards and chk back river? Barrel high cards and barrel river?

Posted almost 3 years ago

Tackleberry

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If you were to theoretically hothouse a child to becoming an elite mass-tabler, alongside training in maths, getting them to play tonnes of video games would be a great place to start.


Damn - I think you just turned life for my little boy hell for the next 14 years - but then - Durrrrnono will be born (better you all will have stopped playing until then!!!). Grin

Posted almost 3 years ago

jk3a

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You recommend cbet w/ KT on low boards. Do you barrel low turn cards and chk back river? Barrel high cards and barrel river?



how do you view a flop c/c range? how does the turn affect that range? what is his turn c/c range? how does the river card affect that range?

Posted almost 3 years ago




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