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its 2ptbb/100

I agree with that but with the caveat that your results should be explained in more detail on your bio/sales page. From reading that I'd think you're beating 200 NL, talking about how you know "the keys to killing the small stakes", when you don't kill them. It's false advertising. That's the whole basic crux of the matter, and every other issue in the thread stems from that.

you're 100% right, i will have this updated in the next few days. tbh i forgot how old the info was, and have always assumed ppl kept up with my vids before getting coaching. my entire last series of vids was of me explicitly grinding up from 10nl using the entire remaining bankroll i had online after being hacked.

Otis to be fair he's winning at 2PTBB/100 at 100NL not 1PTBB/100 like you said (and thats a pretty big difference). I think his results arent amazing by any means but I certainly think given his results and the theoretical knowledge Baluga taught him he's more than qualified to teach 100NL and below. And thats what he teaches.

The rate he charges of somewhere around $60-75/hr is fairly inline with what most coaches charge that can teach you how to beat up to 100NL. So I certianly dont think he's overpriced.

I also dont think his DC coaching page bio is really that deceptive, perhaps a bit vague but not deceptive.

You'll also notice he stopped coaching 200NL players fairly recently when he realized he wasnt qualifed to teach them any longer. So the man knows his limits. Big kudos for that.

Even when you apparently did do that you only made 3c a hand. Assuming you could keep that rate up 12-tabling that's only $25 / hr.

i was definitely making more than 3c per hand when I started coaching and pre-life tilt. besides, if you round its 4c per hand anyway.

This is a false dichotomy though, big time. If you're good you can play in the days and make money, maybe a lower hourly but there are a lot of guys who do quite well without isolating themselves from society, come on.

no matter what time it is, sitting in front of a computer with the sole purpose of taking less learned players' money by exploiting their weaknesses is isolation from society, at least to me. at the very least, it doesn't contribute anything. i mean i know everyone hates their jobs but that doesn't mean i have to.

no matter what time it is, sitting in front of a computer with the sole purpose of taking less learned players' money by exploiting their weaknesses is isolation from society, at least to me. at the very least, it doesn't contribute anything. i mean i know everyone hates their jobs but that doesn't mean i have to.

I feel the same way about playing online poker being kind of anti-social and its one of the big reasons why I dont put in very much volume any more.

Otis to be fair he's winning at 2PTBB/100 at 100NL not 1PTBB/100 like you said (and thats a pretty big difference).

Yeah I got mixed up, HEM will do bb / 100 and BB / 100, one if PTBB and the other is half that. If its HEM I usually assume it's half that.

You'll also notice he stopped coaching 200NL players fairly recently when he realized he wasnt qualifed to teach them any longer. So the man knows his limits. Big kudos for that.

Agreed, that's a very solid thing to do. I was not aware of that.

plus one to Tubas honesty, and for that matter skill.

ive watched alot of his videos, and alot of videos in general and think some of you may be putting too much emphasis on graphs.

sure its great if someone is crushing a game, but I would rather have a coach who can explain things well than one who has a great graph but isnt good at relating to students.


your teaching a process anyway, not a series of do this maneuvors. look at how many spots in videos come up where one dc coach disagrees with another on the correct move. Its more common than agreeement actually.


additonally, many do not realize the effect of variance on graphs. I am 4oo below ev at 25nl this year, and it makes my graph look fairly ugly. Id hate to be judged on that alone. EV look reasonalbe, well that can still be misleading bc if you get KK continually where someone has AA you still got screwed. the idea is I would never look at tubas gra ph and discount his skill, I know he has skill bc ive seen him talk about the game in many videos.

stated differently as long as a coach is bringing their A game to the coaching or videos, im not concnered if they are having B game or running bad while grinding

it also may be the case that tuba feels pressure to do well once he did start coaching. i know whenever im eager to crush , i lose, if im relaxed i do better.

anyway, at the end of the day, if you think its not for you dont hire him at his rate, i dont see the merit of making critical posts. its goes on alot at 2 2 and it seems to me its just throwing eggs at dudes, this game is hard enough, worry about your own winrate.

no matter what time it is, sitting in front of a computer with the sole purpose of taking less learned players' money by exploiting their weaknesses is isolation from society, at least to me. at the very least, it doesn't contribute anything. i mean i know everyone hates their jobs but that doesn't mean i have to.

I don't really understand this, you make it sound like it's a dirty or bad thing to do, but you spend a lot of your time teaching people to do this bad, antisocial thing? I guess you can say in response well it helps them improve their lives but I don't like to do it, I dunno everyones different.

Personally, that's my favorite thing about poker, taking $ from the less-learned- in the end you get out of it exactly what you put into it. It might take awhile but in poker, when you hit the long run justice is usually done. There aren't a whole lot of things in life like that. Poker ruthlessly punishes ego and arrogance, if you think you're hot shit because you crush bar freerolls and then you go sit at .50/1 6 max on stars you will get destroyed by people that studied much harder at poker than you did. It's great!

I don't really understand this, you make it sound like it's a dirty or bad thing to do, but you spend a lot of your time teaching people to do this bad, antisocial thing? I guess you can say in response well it helps them improve their lives but I don't like to do it, I dunno everyones different.

i guess i just don't want it to be my life's work you know? someone is going to take the fishies money either way.

FIRST AL THE PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE RESPECT!!!!!!

wow what a topic people want to have the best coaching for 20 $ lol LOOSERS!!!

the send e mail to galfond he is winning player likes 10 bb/100 and pay him 2000 $ you happy he happy kkkkk

I think some people might have suggested this already, but why not just have coaches update results every quarter or so in their bio. Everyone that is a DC coach would be required to do so. No need to out screen names, but just have a person a DC verify results and then add to the bio.

Then it's transparent if a coach hasn't been playing a ton lately, and the potential student can decide whether results are commensurate with rate. Since as quite a few people have pointed out volume and win rate aren't the only factors relevant when choosing a coach, but this way students are able to make an informed decision.

I think some people might have suggested this already, but why not just have coaches update results every quarter or so in their bio. Everyone that is a DC coach would be required to do so. No need to out screen names, but just have a person a DC verify results and then add to the bio.

Then it's transparent if a coach hasn't been playing a ton lately, and the potential student can decide whether results are commensurate with rate. Since as quite a few people have pointed out volume and win rate aren't the only factors relevant when choosing a coach, but this way students are able to make an informed decision.

I really like this idea. I think it should be mandatory for a coach to post results of some kind in their bio. That way the student knows what sort of deal he's getting.

no matter what time it is, sitting in front of a computer with the sole purpose of taking less learned players' money by exploiting their weaknesses is isolation from society, at least to me. at the very least, it doesn't contribute anything. i mean i know everyone hates their jobs but that doesn't mean i have to.

Heh! Being a poker shark is explicitly doing the Devil's work: preying on people's sins, exploiting their greed and wrath and stupidity, and not just passively distributing justice to those who have it coming, but inducing those sins too, tempting them with feigned weakness and angering them with aggression until they spew off their hard earned $$$.

But then again, the Devil's work is necessary work. God made the Devil for a reason, after all. Most people wouldn't appreciate that when put in those words, but no one likes punishing the bullies any less than I do in my heads up game.

And we're in good company too. Half the economy is exploiting lust and pride and sloth. Those in marketing don't have any less contempt for their prey than we do. The immaculate suits in finance who think they're too smart for words count as both exploiters of the public's get rich with no work desires and irresponsible results oriented degenerate gamblers.

Ultimately, poker is a great game and the world is better off if the amateurs leach at least some of our knowledge while playing it. It would clear some of the utter lies that other great game invented to flatter the boundless ego of some oriental prince spread out - the world is not known, the ugly conspiracy mindset whereby every pawn or bishop sacrificed is part of some hidden master plan to further the king's interests is flawed, the correct play often fails and the wrong play often is rewarded and being dealt the weaker hand one can still hope to win.

There is a rough sort of honesty in poker and while the whole racket _is_ about hurting others, I feel in the long run it is also in the service of Truth.

Wow...epic thread. Much ado about nothing imo. I mean, Steve said he tells his students up front that he doesnt play much anymore, so why the need for stats on the bio page? Besides being able to teach something is not necessarily the same thing as being able to do something and vice versa. Steve is a great teacher, I could really give a sod less about his Winrate and stats personally.

Such an epic thread. So impressed with DC that it wasn't locked and that we can really dig deep on such a difficult and potentially sensitive topic (and further, not flame each other like it's 2p2). This should be stickied because it's such a better answer than the usual "PTR is inaccurate. Phil Jackson/Michael Jordan" response. Well done all.