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my bb/100 was positive until i donked off 15 buyins at 5nl to dc members!

Game selection, Tuba...Avoid them tough spots

In further research I found what appears to be Tubasteve's myspace page that indicates he's a 27 year old male who works as an accountant making 250k+

I just found this thread and it is mad late here but this is not tubasteve. He is not 27 and not an accountant (well, he may be an accountant as of like yesterday or something but this is certainly not him).

I'll post more later on.

I think your question is valid. How does DC vet its coaches? But why didn't you ask that?

Here you go: How a DC coach becomes a Coach

I also recommend the sticky at the top of this forum: Review Your Coach

Interesting topic.

Another DC coach with larger sample; http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/ambtndplyr

This is where PTR gets people confused. Ambtndplyr is German, and most plays on untracked PTR sites.

M_T_M, you are not seeing is not the whole picture. In fact, this research seems to have you very confused. You cannot see all the hard work that Tubasteve has put in to his game, coaching, and videos. I can also assure you that he is not the Facebook you found.

To answer one out standing question, most of our coaches are pro players, or semi-pros. Many of them are still studying at Universities, and play poker to support their lifestyles.

If you really want to know if a coach is qualified to teach, you should be looking at the results of their students.

If you really want to know if a coach is qualified to teach, you should be looking at the results of their students.

This makes a lot of sense. I haven't seen much results of students (maybe one or two graphs of the successful ones, but thats not the whole picture is it?), so looking at it would possibly help. Also, I haven't seen much coach reviews saying that coach A sucked, which wonders me a lot.

By the way, I could argue that there may already be a bias in the students the coaches take (say coach A takes only the talented ones and coach B takes lazy students as well).

Hey it's the weekly Steve's PTR graph isn't great thread.

In other news I've heard Steve is not actually a tuba.

If you want an eval of Steve check his videos and the forums and the people there that swear by him.

Although selfishly maybe you should just believe the graph. Probably better for my winrate.

It comes down to what you're going to use to evaluate a coach, right? If you want to use tableratings and whether he/she has a job or not as your criteria, then don't hire coaches who have bad tablerating stats and work. Personally I know tableratings has missed thousands of my own hands so I don't find it reliable. And there are lots of reasons a coach might have a job. Maybe it's for the health insurance. Maybe they just enjoy being a rodeo clown.

When my roll can take it, I'll pick a coach based primarily on the videos I've watched. It'll probably be someone I can afford who's blown me away more than once, and maybe that has said something I may question. I might ask for some graphs as well, but mostly I'll go off what I've seen and heard. But you can pick your own way of selecting a coach.

If you really want to know if a coach is qualified to teach, you should be looking at the results of their students.

The gold standard of judging a coach hypothetically would be to have a list of all students who worked with him or her, and (trustable) results for each. Otherwise, there is the possibility of a selection bias effect.

From a theoretical POV, it's actually a hard problem to solve well, since to operate well, the system needs to distrust all participants, a bit like computer security systems.

I have a couple of thoughts. First off, I think picking a coach just based on videos is a mistake. How do you know what the coach is saying in the video is good advice or bad? Your not really qualified to judge, since your the one trying to learn.

This is why I think results are so important. The results are the ONLY way you have of knowing that what the coach is saying is actually going to get you better. Because the coach has more successful results THAN you. If you pick someone who's a breakeven player results-wise but a great video producer, how do you know if your really learning anything. Maybe you THINK your learning something, but your actually just getting bad advice. And I wont name any names, but ive seen countless videos give terrible advice and sound so confident when giving the advice that you wouldnt know any better unless you were of a higher skill level than the video producer.

So results should be first, and then you should look at how the coach teaches (by watching his videos) and see if his teaching style matches your need.

Another thought is that its common to see students improve even after getting coaching from a bad coach. Why? Because usually people that seek coaching are actively working on their own game and are usually improving in skill level regardless of the lessons they recieve. Plus theres the possiblity they just ran hotter after the coaching sessions. So I wouldnt put too much stock in results of students. You dont know how much of those results came from the coach. The only thing you can know for sure is the coach's results.

As an example, my coach, FoxwoodsFiend, posted a graph showing $1.6mm in winnings in the last year and a half. Thats why I chose him ultimatelly, and yes I really like his videos too, but without the results I wouldnt have choosen him as a coach. So far I havent been dissapointed.

Edit: I also think there are good players that wouldnt make good coaches, but that doesnt mean the converse is true. I think being a good player and a good teacher both requisite for being a good coach. You need to be BOTH.

I have a couple of thoughts. First off, I think picking a coach just based on videos is a mistake. How do you know what the coach is saying in the video is good advice or bad? Your not really qualified to judge, since your the one trying to learn.

If u are begginer then yes i agree its not a good idea, but if You have some experience and u watched a ton of videos u can tell if the guy is making some sense or not, that said i probably also would need some proof of his winnings, although there are some coaches that i would not need to see their graph, but as default coach should show u that he is a winning player

spino1i: I agree totally.

I have a couple of thoughts. First off, I think picking a coach just based on videos is a mistake. How do you know what the coach is saying in the video is good advice or bad? Your not really qualified to judge, since your the one trying to learn.

I disagree obv., but that's just the way I'm going to pick a coach. I'm not watching videos to agree with whatever the coach says. I don't read the newspaper to agree with the journalist. I evaluate the information on my own. I decide if what a coach says in a video makes sense to me. I decide if his/her thought process is sound.

I think however you choose a coach, and even if it's Durrr or Phil Ivey, you shouldn't just believe what they say because they said it. Believe it because you think it through on your own and see the wisdom in what they say. There's no such thing as being too ignorant to think for yourself. Just because they are better at poker than you are doesn't mean they're always right.

I do agree using student results is unreliable. A coach can't control a student's ability to apply knowledge, or a student's tilt.

who gives a shit about PTR. If you don't wanna have a coach than don't take it. I think Dc is doing a great job in choosing a coach!!!


And forget PTR it's just a piss of ########. They track nothing right. And it's true if you wanna see how good a coach is look at the winnings of his students.

And if you have a doubt about the coaches here. Why do you subscribe?????