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CFFB and BJJ here myself, strength is easily the most important component of the fitness domains or whatever and its not even close.

also, 70sbig.com ("if you aren't the designated child thrower at pool parties, you've done something wrong").

Glassman is a clown, and crossfit succeeds despite him, in my opinion.

Do you know about the hybrid programs like Crossfit Strength Bias or Crossfit Football or Max Effort Black Box? They go some way to address your concern that the standard programming doesn't improve strength sufficiently.

The attraction of Crossfit is that the WODs are fun. Racing to complete a workout beats the hell out of the SS program, which will certainly work, but has the same drawback of diets in that people won't necessarily stick to them.

I've heard that there are other crossfit programs, but I haven't looked into them in depth. I have looked at crossfit endurance, and that seems pretty reasonable for maintenance during periods where you have no specific training goal.

I'm not the kind of person who has motivation problems for diet and exercise, so SS was great for me. I _was_ careful to stress that SS is only better if you care about efficiency; I don't doubt for a moment that there are people for whom the only realistic long-term choice is crossfit or nothing, and obviously crossfit is the vastly superior choice in that case.

Anyway I'll be joing the blackbox when I get back to NY in July so holler if you're a NYer and go there!

I assume that you are referring to the Black Box in Manhattan (as opposed to Crossfit Brooklyn)

azwildkitten (Mrs. DD? other?),

What are your thoughts on HQ/Glassman and how they've been handling the explosion of CF over the past 2ish years? From my sorta noob perspective it seems like Glassman was the first to really formalize a great training style, and for that we should all be really grateful. That being said, once other, possibly smarter people started playing the same game and trying to adapt to/improve upon his ideas, our CF hero wasn't particularly ready to accept that (eg Robb Wolf, a lot of others from what I can tell).

Thats such a loaded question... there has been lots of drama as CrossFit has gotten bigger and bigger (especially in the last year). There are lots of stories and lots of sides, and since I am not personally involved in anything to do with headquarters, I tend to not pay too much attention.

CrossFit is big, and getting bigger. When the owner of my gym opened her doors, Glassman personally ran the level 1,2 certifications. Now they churn out 3-4 certs a weekend with trainers that have been "certified" to teach each type of cert. Things change as businesses grow. Yes individuals, and in some case entire gyms, have been black listed by headquarters. But there is drama of some kind of every industry.

There are lots of great programs out there that work with CrossFit programing, but not officially affiliated. Rob Wolf is an amazing resource, along with the folks at the Whole 9 http://www.whole9.com. Its like anything else (poker even), there is lots of information out there, and its up to you to figure out what works for you.

Hope that answers your question.

-Courtney

To all crossfit people out there, have a look at these shoes. I discovered these about a year ago and i've been hooked on them ever since. They are basically shoes that simulate barefoot walking but with the protection of a really thin sole. Way better than normal cushioned shoes for olympic lifting and crossfit as you actually are more aware of your feet and balance. Try them out, they are worth every penny.

http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/products/products_footwear.cfm

I love my Vibrams! but I would rather lift in my traditional weight lifting shoes. I just feel stabler in them.

I can run a few miles in the Vibrams, but wear them as more of a casual shoe. I prefer my Inov8 230s or adizero pros for tough track workouts or long runs.

bump for the start of the 2011 open - anybody doing it? I'm working hard on my strength - doing westside stuff with one of the guys that does their certs - so I won't be competing, but I'd love to follow anyone that's in!

eta: it's funny to read back through this thread and see all the vibram love. at this point I think vffs have gone out of style in xfit and been replaced by the omnipresent inov8s - I was in a competition a few weeks ago and I'd say 60% of the competitors had them. Way to be ahead of the curve azwildkitten

what shoes should i get to lift in, vibrams or inov8s?

fight gone bad tonight... fml

power or olympic lifting?

i haaaate fgb

power or olympic lifting?

i haaaate fgb

hmm IDK? just for a general cross section of wods.

hmm IDK? just for a general cross section of wods.

I'd personally go for the inov8s, although both are good. I think the inov8s are gonna feel better during running wods (unless you're used to running in vffs already), and they'll definitely be a lot better for stuff like box jumps. Also, anecdotally, I know a bunch of people who had vffs, got inov8s and now swear by the inov8s - I don't know anyone who has gotten the inov8s and then said the vffs were better for all-around usage. Nike free 3.0s would also be a pretty good choice.

Disclaimer: I don't own either shoe, but I've worn someone else's inov8s a few times for wods and really liked them. My current crossfit shoes are these guys.

bonus stuff - if you're not doing a wod and just lifting, my vote would be chucks for deadlifting/benching/pressing, and olympic lifting shoes (go with risto, again faster talons, nike romaleos or maybe the high-end adidas shoes - I've heard bad things about the newer pendlay do-wins) for squatting and oly-lifting. Chucks for squatting is fine too, but oly shoes definitely help if you have poor ankle flexibility like me (hello 49885 ankle sprains from soccer).

how was fgb?

ty!

fgb sucked. but it's over, so that's good. i'm really out of shape -- just started going again regularly two weeks ago. at least i didn't puke!

I've been xfitting in Chuck's for all of 2011 and am very happy with them. Get them 1 size too big. Agree w/n0whereman they are great for lifting.

A lot of people @ the black box wear the inov8s. If you want to ball I'd get the inov-8s and some actual lifting shoes. Once I get a 400 lb deadlift I am buying myself some.

Anyone here "competing" in the games? I've registered w/the blackbox team - they pretty much tell everyone to do it. Today's WoD doesn't look too bad if you have multiple double unders. I am so bad at them I am going to sub something. Hoping to get the snatches unbroken. If I can't I will just start clean & jerking which they say on the video is totally fine. Sure hope I'm not dead last lol.

lol should have read n0whereman's post.

I agree on all fronts though I really love my chucks.

BTW - rereading this thread - stretching religiously before xfit and throughout the day - I am now WAY more flexible than back when I was doing xfit + bikram. Overhead Squats ftw.

Just picked up the INOV-8 Fit Lite 220PKs. I have not tried them yet, I plan on easing into them Thursday and wearing them for my crossfit class on Sat AM.

here is a blog post with unboxing pics...
http://theder.blogspot.com/2011/03/all-men-are-cheaters-guilty.html

I am a die hard Nike fan..so it was hard for me to get another shoe...but I was reccoed these shoes by a couple of trusted peeps so I am looking forward to trying it out.

Anyone have an opinion on the assertion in Crossfit lore that Crossfit puts on size faster than natural bodybuilding? Background on me - 6'1, 185 ectomorph/hard gainer. I did P90x and HIIT for a few months last year and dropped my bodyfat significantly and put on some muscle and got stronger, but certainly didn't get huge. I was very happy with my progress, but for my next round of self-improvement I want to add more size. I am trying to decide between Starting Strength and Crossfit. Thanks!