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A student just sent me this hand and we had a brief discussion about thin value. I do not think the river bet in this hand is particularly thin, but that was what his query was based around. I know my answers to these questions but in the interests of promoting discssuion here is the hand and some questions. What is the worst hand you would bet for value on the river here? Do you think hero could have/should have taken a different line/different bet sizing at any point?

Villain is playing 44/4/1.5 over 75 hands no particular reads.

$200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BB: $264.56
Hero (UTG): $199.00
CO: $115.50
BTN: $314.47
SB: $214.10

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with K A
Hero raises to $6, 3 folds, BB calls $4

Flop: ($13.00) T 8 J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10.00, BB calls $10

Turn: ($33.00) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($33.00) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $18.00, BB calls $18


Edit: I suppose the title of this thread should be 4-straight board not 4-straight river. I can't change it and even if I could I wouldn't - how do you like that you nits!

I would bet KT or better and bet 1/3 pot. This guy can be bluff catching with any pair here

yeah I think river is definitely a bet, not in love with the flop cbet though. I think a lot of people will just let us fold them off the hands we're trying to get to fold the flop on the turn (like they cf 55 on the turn.)

I would bet KT or better and bet 1/3 pot. This guy can be bluff catching with any pair here

Why not bet say, $30, on the river?

Why not bet say, $30, on the river?

Being that villain is a passive 40/4 I think it would be less likely that he would suspect a big river bet to be a bluff and potentially just fold worse A's,J's,T's that he may call to a $18-22 bet.

Being that villain is a passive 40/4 I think it would be less likely that he would suspect a big river bet to be a bluff and potentially just fold worse A's,J's,T's that he may call to a $18-22 bet.

I can understand that. What I actually like to do here is just bet pot IF we didn't have A. Villain is never folding Ax ever and he has all his combos of AX - he also doesn't fold his other bluff catchers a good % of the time because fish love to bluff catch even more than regs do. Fish while not very good hand readers can recognise that it's a spot where "hey, I pot here when my clubs miss, he has missed clubs IMAGENIUS CALL". If I had some more reads I would perhaps bet smaller if I knew he folded the river a lot/had never seen him bluff catch light over a large sample. Unfortunately when we do have A it's extremely difficult for him to get to the river with Ax that we beat and I prefer the smaller sizing overall.

yeah I think river is definitely a bet, not in love with the flop cbet though. I think a lot of people will just let us fold them off the hands we're trying to get to fold the flop on the turn (like they cf 55 on the turn.)

Are you more or less likely to take that vs a reg opposed to a fish? What do you do vs a turn lead? Not dissing the line.

Does this type of villain pay any attention to bet sizes ? Say if he has decided to call, he calls any bet size, unless its ashove ? So why dont we go for for max value ?

Are you more or less likely to take that vs a reg opposed to a fish? What do you do vs a turn lead? Not dissing the line.

Depends on the reg but I think more likely to take that line vs a fish. Prob just fold if he leads a brick turn.

Depends on the reg but I think more likely to take that line vs a fish. Prob just fold if he leads a brick turn.

I think fish are really likely to just lead any 2 when we x back the flop so I think we kinda have to call turn bricks with decent A high. I often do this if I don't feel I have enough equity to bet the flop/won't fold anything/whatever. I do quite like checking back, although when we hold the A I think the flop bet allows us to bet more turns which is always a consideration.

Does this type of villain pay any attention to bet sizes ? Say if he has decided to call, he calls any bet size, unless its ashove ? So why dont we go for for max value ?

More or less what I was getting at