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Got my ass handed to me at .25/.50 tonight. Friday is rakeback day and it's all gone already.
I can sorta break even at .05/.10... Can't wait for my Pygmy lessons because I just tired of losing losing losing. I put like 4 hours a day into poker/poker study.. what more does it take?

God I gotta stop whining... DC please make the 'Edit Post' feature last longer for us impulsive types >.>

hey, you'll get it...looking forward to your series. i know i'm not in your group but i follow it a lot and chat w/speirs almost every day.
gl w/ph...

what more does it take?

That you are able to deal the cards and see the oppoents cards, so that you would fold your AA on a 33A board - instead of putting in 8BB vs. opponents 33.

Also Adri do I have to remind you about my or Boomers downswing graphs, and it does seem that most people think we should be able to beat higher games - we cant do much about those downswings, they'll come and they'll go away again.
And again, we can only try to manage our own minds and working on getting better, no way that you should not beat .25/.50 even without vbetting the river thinly or check-raise semi bluff the flop in a steal defend.

Take your time, you can do it

And btw IMO we should def. get a meeting going soon, on postflop play...

I got that idea building on Sushigluttons match vid, that we could choose some hands winner/looser SD/no SD or whatever and then try to deeply analyze what our play optimally would be on each street vs. their range for their specific play.
IMO this kind of analyze is super helpfull, what do you think ?

That you are able to deal the cards and see the oppoents cards, so that you would fold your AA on a 33A board - instead of putting in 8BB vs. opponents 33.

Word imo

Also Adri do I have to remind you about my or Boomers downswing graphs

Please no, I'd almost forgotten . And what are you doing up at 7am on a Saturday morning anyway???

And again, we can only try to manage our own minds and working on getting better, no way that you should not beat .25/.50 even without vbetting the river thinly or check-raise semi bluff the flop in a steal defend.

Helps though . Gotta VB those LP-types.

However playing LP/Maniac types can be extremely frustrating. You may have noticed in our little vid how Isac and I were able to pinpoint tight players' hand-ranges really well but couldn't do the same for the looser players and ended up playing vs ranges. Due to the fact we like to think of ourselves as good players it's extremely frustrating when you can't read someone who's incredbily bad at poker yet ends up busting you up for an hour or so straight. This games is horrifically cruel at times.

Take your time, you can do it

Indeed. 100% support and group hugs available always.

And btw IMO we should def. get a meeting going soon, on postflop play...

I got that idea building on Sushigluttons match vid, that we could choose some hands winner/looser SD/no SD or whatever and then try to deeply analyze what our play optimally would be on each street vs. their range for their specific play.
IMO this kind of analyze is super helpfull, what do you think ?

Ooooh yeah yeah yeah. I've got a couple

Oh btw Isac, posted on my blog recently and found the same opinion on 2+2 that euro sites are a lot more aggressive than US-friendly sites. Not saying the players are better but they're more randomly aggressive which leads to higher variance and since Euor sites have higher rake that bumps everything up again. Was wondering what you thought about that?

Oh btw Isac, posted on my blog recently and found the same opinion on 2+2 that euro sites are a lot more aggressive than US-friendly sites. Not saying the players are better but they're more randomly aggressive which leads to higher variance and since Euor sites have higher rake that bumps everything up again. Was wondering what you thought about that?

FWIW from sweating Isac a couple sessions I agree that Euro fish are more aggro in weird spots/ bluffy

group hugs available always

Thx for the support guys... I wish u lived closer for real hugs... booze is somewhat of a decent substitute After the illness I moved back east so my non-poker friends are far away too. Sometimes it's hard to cope with the pressure/swings, in a few months govt benefits run out and poker gonna have to pay the bills >.> FYI I did NOT put that on my application (Well, I said that I was going pro....) but very glad I got RLMLG since I believe it will accelerate the process of making a consistent profit from tha pokerz ^.^

even vbetting the river thinly

I been having a lot of trouble with this... opponents are so passive that they just call down top pair top kicker, so whenever I value bet second pair, I'm just betting into the nuts that they didn't bother to reraise with >.<

playing LP/Maniac types can be extremely frustrating. You may have noticed in our little vid how Isac and I were able to pinpoint tight players' hand-ranges really well but couldn't do the same for the looser players and ended up playing vs ranges. Due to the fact we like to think of ourselves as good players it's extremely frustrating when you can't read someone who's incredbily bad at poker yet ends up busting you up for an hour or so straight. This games is horrifically cruel at times.

+1
I do ok against TAG types or tight passives it seems but the LP's and Maniacs win my stack. I think because I can steal the blinds/have fold equity against tighter players but the 56/0's are impossible to read and call down with the nuts the same way they call down w bottom pair.

Maybe we should stop table selecting!

I value-owned myself and made a dumb-ass 3-bet

Party Poker $0.50/$1.00 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is SB with J A
1 fold, MP calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, BB calls, MP calls

Flop: (6 SB) 9 8 7 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP calls

Turn: (4 BB) T (2 players)
Hero bets, MP calls

River: (6 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, MP calls

Final Pot: 12 BB
MP shows J Q
Hero shows J A
MP wins 11.5 BB
(Rake: $0.50)

And he didn't cap the nuts on the river either

In other news....

A pair is unfoldable in Limit Holdem

Party Poker $0.50/$1.00 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is SB with J T
1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB checks

Flop: (3 SB) 8 2 T (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, CO calls

Turn: (2.5 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls

River: (4.5 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls

Final Pot: 6.5 BB
Hero shows J T
Hero wins 6.2 BB
(Rake: $0.30)
CO had an 8

In more news....people play big hands REALLY badly

Party Poker $0.50/$1.00 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with J Q
UTG raises, 3 folds, Hero calls

Flop: (4.5 SB) A Q J (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: (2.25 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls

River: (6.25 BB) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls

Final Pot: 8.25 BB
UTG shows T K
UTG wins 7.9 BB
(Rake: $0.35)

If I'd have been in soul-owning mode I'd have checked the turn

Got to admit I felt a little like FPS Doug during that last session.

"Mah Heart's Beatin', Mah hands are shakin' mah hands are shakin' but I'm STILL RAISIN' and I'm STILL HITTIN' GUTSHOTS!! It's LIke BOOM GUTSHOT!! etc"

For those who don't know FPS Doug

FPS Doug and dropping whatever baggage I was carrying from Ipoker all over Stars recently

Here's to hoping things stay good for a while and turn good for all of us.

long long posts, lets hope I get it all...

And what are you doing up at 7am on a Saturday morning anyway???

Boys obv waking very early up... Baby boy at 5am - good that it's gf's job, big boy at 6.30am, Bah... but well he's sick atm so obv slept alot friday.

Helps though . Gotta VB those LP-types.

However playing LP/Maniac types can be extremely frustrating. You may have noticed in our little vid how Isac and I were able to pinpoint tight players' hand-ranges really well but couldn't do the same for the looser players and ended up playing vs ranges. Due to the fact we like to think of ourselves as good players it's extremely frustrating when you can't read someone who's incredbily bad at poker yet ends up busting you up for an hour or so straight. This games is horrifically cruel at times.

100% agree, talked with Aldine bout Maniacs the other day, he sad "leave - there's better tables" = 100% sure when you got no real strategy vs them, is they 3bet bluffing the turn or do they have the nuts, it's the same play... But long term we should take their money. LP's are good to have IMO, just make sure they are to the right of you, if not they gotta be fit/fold postflop, we are very happy for them to just call down with anything - cus they got many many more none bad calldowns than TP - NUTS.

Indeed. 100% support and group hugs available always.

no doubt

Oh btw Isac, posted on my blog recently and found the same opinion on 2+2 that euro sites are a lot more aggressive than US-friendly sites. Not saying the players are better but they're more randomly aggressive which leads to higher variance and since Euor sites have higher rake that bumps everything up again. Was wondering what you thought about that?

FWIW from sweating Isac a couple sessions I agree that Euro fish are more aggro in weird spots/ bluffy

As you know I haven't spend much time on US sites, so got no self-experience. But from what I've seen you guys do at FTP and PS you are 100% right. My own little theory off many off those players is that they are former NL-players who never beated the games they were playing, now they try LHE cus it's cheaper (not really but what people think it is) and probably because they feel that their either LP- or maniac play can make them big winners. So as I've said earlier, I gotte turn down my laggyness (thank to Adri ) and play much more ABC-poker.

100% agree, talked with Aldine bout Maniacs the other day, he sad "leave - there's better tables" = 100% sure when you got no real strategy vs them, is they 3bet bluffing the turn or do they have the nuts, it's the same play... But long term we should take their money. LP's are good to have IMO, just make sure they are to the right of you, if not they gotta be fit/fold postflop, we are very happy for them to just call down with anything - cus they got many many more none bad calldowns than TP - NUTS.

Yeah, NEVER sit OOP on a maniac/LAG/LAGTAG deliberately. Even if they're bad they're gonna put you in hideous situations whether they know they're doing it or not.

LP's are ok to be OOP on if there's no option since you can still VB OOP and there's less chacne they're gonna pull something stupid like a Free Showdown raise but you'd MUCH rather be in position.

As you know I haven't spend much time on US sites, so got no self-experience. But from what I've seen you guys do at FTP and PS you are 100% right. My own little theory off many off those players is that they are former NL-players who never beated the games they were playing, now they try LHE cus it's cheaper (not really but what people think it is) and probably because they feel that their either LP- or maniac play can make them big winners. So as I've said earlier, I gotte turn down my laggyness (thank to Adri ) and play much more ABC-poker.

Tbh in my experience NL player tend to be waaaaay over-tight when playing FL. I had a 200NL guy in my game today (or at least that's what he claimed with his $3k roll on the table...I could see he'd played 2/4 and 100NL but nothing else) and he was playing something like 21/15 which may be ok for NL but will more than likely get you killed at 2/4FL.

And as for tuning down the lagginess i told you 60% Sb raise was too m......oh wait a minute.....*whistles innocently*. I think I did mention cutting 5% wouldn't hurt though .

I demand 30VPIP and 20PFR though

*folds arms menacingly*

Got my ass handed to me at .25/.50 tonight. Friday is rakeback day and it's all gone already.
I can sorta break even at .05/.10... Can't wait for my Pygmy lessons because I just tired of losing losing losing. I put like 4 hours a day into poker/poker study.. what more does it take?

Don't worry Adri. I have good stuff for you today. If you really apply it I'd honestly be shocked if today's session doesn't immediately raise your win rate at least 0.5 BB/100.

Not to say you won't still experience variance...

Thx for the support guys... I wish u lived closer for real hugs... booze is somewhat of a decent substitute After the illness I moved back east so my non-poker friends are far away too. Sometimes it's hard to cope with the pressure/swings, in a few months govt benefits run out and poker gonna have to pay the bills >.> FYI I did NOT put that on my application (Well, I said that I was going pro....) but very glad I got RLMLG since I believe it will accelerate the process of making a consistent profit from tha pokerz ^.^

As I told you earlier, IMO you are under huge huge pressure... I'm sure I couldn't take it. And yeah RL-friends + family are very important , but your situation is by far not mine, so it's hard to say much about... But again, we'll support you, be it whatever you need (almost)

I been having a lot of trouble with this... opponents are so passive that they just call down top pair top kicker, so whenever I value bet second pair, I'm just betting into the nuts that they didn't bother to reraise with >.<


I do ok against TAG types or tight passives it seems but the LP's and Maniacs win my stack. I think because I can steal the blinds/have fold equity against tighter players but the 56/0's are impossible to read and call down with the nuts the same way they call down w bottom pair.

Just remember who made the bad play. You gotta vbet 2nd pair anytime vs a LP-fish and very often vs a TAG or anyother player type aswell. Most players call down Ahigh + any pair. TAGs are easier to play for sure, special if they are weak postflop, an other thing that is sure though is who most of our winnings come from, and that is the LP-fishes.

Maybe we should stop table selecting!

As long as the fishes are to the imidiate right, you must table select. FWIW I did try to set down at a table without scanning it first this weak, and it did turn out good

Not to say you won't still experience variance...

For that you'll need RigBot 3000.

Also I have some anti-variance deoderant......given my last 6000 hands or so I don't think it's working though....and the cats don't seem to like me as much.

Don't worry Adri. I have good stuff for you today. If you really apply it I'd honestly be shocked if today's session doesn't immediately raise your win rate at least 0.5 BB/100.

Mike delivering the awesome it seems

Gogogo imo

I value-owned myself and made a dumb-ass 3-bet


And he didn't cap the nuts on the river either

Yeah for sure that 3bet is

In other news....

A pair is unfoldable in Limit Holdem

Exactly

In more news....people play big hands REALLY badly

If I'd have been in soul-owning mode I'd have checked the turn

Honestly I think this is spewy (unless a very good read) - he checks Ad Qd Js flop, you are either huge favorit vs his under pair, or crushed by his better 2p, I would just check call down, for sure it stinks, but when you bet he'll raise most of his hands and fold the rest I think???

Don't worry Adri. I have good stuff for you today. If you really apply it I'd honestly be shocked if today's session doesn't immediately raise your win rate at least 0.5 BB/100.

Not to say you won't still experience variance...

Would you mind sharing the outcome before release haha

Yeah for sure that 3bet is

To be honest I didn't think he'd be stupid enough to wait until the river when I've bet the turn on that board with the nuts. The 3-bet is dodgy to say the least but given I only lose to 1 hand and he didn't raise the turn I thought I was good to do so since I felt he could raise worse like a set/2-pair using the standard "wait until I'm beat to raise" line which is quite popular atm. Let's just say i would not at all have been surprised to see 56 in his hand after he called the 3-bet. The fact he doesn't cap with the nuts is laughable.

Honestly I think this is spewy (unless a very good read) - he checks Ad Qd Js flop, you are either huge favorit vs his under pair, or crushed by his better 2p, I would just check call down, for sure it stinks, but when you bet he'll raise most of his hands and fold the rest I think???

Or he has 7 outs with AK/AT and 6 outs with TT or is checking for SD with 99/88 and I give him 2 freebies. Again another one where if I had a draw, I'd have checked but there are enough hands I'm doing ok against here I have to bet. When he raises, sure it's crap and he has me beat almost always but at this point I think I just pay off and thank the poker gods he decided not to follow through on the flop and get a shit-ton of action from me.

The only thing I think I can do differntly imo is fold the river UI. But folding 2 pair there feels gross. Maybe fold Pre-flop vs a tight UTG range.

I was confused due to the fact that checking ANYTHING on that board is horrible. Even if he's got 55 he can bet and expect me to fold higher PP's sometimes and if he's got a big hand giving me a free card to the nuts seems dreadful, God I would have loved a Q or J on river to give this idiot what he deserved.

On the turn we're 65/35 favourite vs a UTG range which may or may not be entirely intact...it's rough this but I think there are enough gutshot+pair hands in his range I have to bet.