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pwned + v-bet. k, I'm done.


Pre Flop: (1 SB) Hero is SB with 4 4
1 fold, BTN raises, Hero 3-bets, BTN calls

Flop: (6 SB) T 4 7 (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls

Turn: (4 BB) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero raises, BTN calls

River: (8 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls

Final Pot: 10 BB
Hero shows 4 4 (three of a kind, Fours)
BTN mucks 2 A
Hero wins 10 BB

IMO this hand is interesting - but very villain dependant I think.

would you like to comment on your turn and river action. And what you action would be if you were faced with more aggression from the villain?

IMO this hand is interesting - but very villain dependant I think.

would you like to comment on your turn and river action. And what you action would be if you were faced with more aggression from the villain?

I would like some background on this hand as well. Mainly because when I find myself in a hand and I am the aggressor I always just keep pounding and pounding, I can never find a spot for a c/r on the turn when the opponent just calls the flop. (but honestly, I'm not looking for them enough, I'm often too busy keeping up playing 4 tables).

I'm often too busy keeping up playing 4 tables).

LOL

for the hand I actually think it's a fold preflop.

There's no big blind and vs a 45% range 44 is only 50% - which is good since Hero already got .25BB in the hand, but it's not good as the pot size is 1.25BB aswell - so totally an even money play. And being oop postflop with a low pair vs a btn or on these stakes (not much folding postflop) you would need to hit the 2 outs more often than it's happening.

This time it worked but try to remember how often this is a loosing play and a fold is needed postflop, when the action goes either - Hero cbet flop villain call, hero bet turn villain raises. Or Hero cbet-call flop and check-fold turn. Also it's super hard to v-bet postflop because all cards are in the BTN openrange and he will play most of the mid paired cards the same way - making Hero either valuetown himself or desperate bluffing postflop (vs an opponent that doesn't fold enough)

Basically the missing bb in this hand makes it a fold EV-vice - and very often anyway from the SB.

I would like some background on this hand as well.

You guys are very observant! Great questions.

This was a hand from the end of a SNG I won last night. BTN was very straightforward and not very SDB. I had not opened up my 3-betting until very recently in the match and villains were adjusting poorly.

The Turn sexy was a tempo thing against my perception of his range. I did it by feel. He was open-limping some hands, so I felt he was A-high/broadway heavy here. I had given up on a hand in this spot before in the match, so it felt right. I'm going to do some brainstorming with stove. I felt this would be good against a lot of his hand, except those that held only 1-diamond and no pair. Also, the 3rd diamond made me feel like he would not be able to call with a good chunk of hands I had dead/<4outs. Rambling now.

The river sucked, obviously, but I felt he would just-call with a big range because of the situation (and never bluff). He would probably just-call with a small diamond too, so I felt I could easily fold if raised. I really need to have control over my opponent to try something like this. However, I had been LAGging it up on this table, playing a lot of hands postflop with these guys, so I felt under control.

I kind of disagree that BTN is getting to SD a ton if we 3-bet out of the SB. I'm only attempting this against the right villain. I don't play aggressively with small PP all the time. If behind, I can easily get away since I'll have like no equity/redraws. If I spike or the board comes all low, I use hand reading and skill to extract. If villain will put me on a super tight range and play fit or fold on the flop a lot, this can be very profitable, including balance for the nuts.

I do not play more than 2 tables at a time, usually. I am successful in this game by reading players, understanding their lines/motivations, reading boards (understand equities if possible), and turning on aggression at the right times. I do greatly believe in session-meta in the right spots.

edit: rereading this, it kinda looks like I'm just saying, "it was a feel thing the whole way," but that's not far from the truth. I try and let my subconscious work on his hand range and, through study and practice, try to extract verses that range, including an understanding of what hands can/can't call, what hands will stab/v-bet when I check, and what he has seen me do recently, etc.

I love attraction.

So check it out. I'm watching episode 3 of Fives a Crowd and have paused it at 18:41, just after DD said, FishEatBruce donks out here on this Turn and this looks incredibly weak. Let's see what he says how to play against the turn donk on this paired board...

He says this is an easy call down with Q-high or better.

Whoa, baby! lol!

You guys are very observant! Great questions.

This was a hand from the end of a SNG I won last night.

I kind of disagree that BTN is getting to SD a ton if we 3-bet out of the SB. I'm only attempting this against the right villain. I don't play aggressively with small PP all the time. If behind, I can easily get away since I'll have like no equity/redraws. If I spike or the board comes all low, I use hand reading and skill to extract. If villain will put me on a super tight range and play fit or fold on the flop a lot, this can be very profitable, including balance for the nuts.

Hey BG - great post fwiw - but LHE SNG's are so much different than cash-lhe in my experience (well back when I started cash LHE they were). As a generel assumption though we need more info to evaluate this play.

1. What was the stack size of the remaining players
2. What was the blinds
3. How did the last opponent play

Having a background with multitabling NL-sng's those are must know/consider before making a play - that eventuelly will put alot of your stack into the pot.
So saying that you can easy get away postflop is very dependant on the above variables and the price-structure. Like You'll never get away postflop if the btn only has 4BB's left in his stack - and then you'll just alow the BTN to get back into the game instead of leaving him as a shortstack-deperado.

And as it was a SNG with the BB missing this play becomes pretty -EV in terms of $$ unless you was a huge chip-leader and basically had nothing to fear.

Well just my thoughts.

Today there were two vewy serwious German efficiency ultra tight TAGs at my .05/.10 table sitting right beside each other and trying to outlevel each other BvB

VEWY SEWIOUS

hehehe I can never resist ^.^

On a side note I have found that a couple ultra tights mixed in with a couple loose fish is a nice combo. Fold equity on the left, value on the right ^.^

How many hours/day do you guys put in (on average)?

On a side note I have found that a couple ultra tights mixed in with a couple loose fish is a nice combo. Fold equity on the left, value on the right ^.^

ftw

"ur mean" lol.

I usually just type, "lol," or, "I love this game." =)

Isac, bustin' out the SNG knowledge. You are exactly right, bro. He had a deep enough stack and I felt the play good for the situation, player, and my image.

Instigated a bluff-raise... twice... on purpose from BTN. Love it. I was going to SD UI.

UTG = fish
BTN = TAGish, tilting from LP sucking out twice.

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em - 5 players -

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is SB with A K
UTG calls, 1 fold, BTN raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, BTN calls

Flop: (10 SB) T 4 T (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, BTN calls

Turn: (6.5 BB) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, BTN raises, Hero calls, UTG calls

River: (12.5 BB) A (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, BTN raises, Hero calls

Final Pot: 16.5 BB
BTN shows K 6 (a pair of Tens)
Hero shows A K (two pair, Aces and Tens)
Hero wins 16 BB
(Rake: $0.50)



I love people:

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em - 9 players

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with Q Q
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, MP1 calls

Flop: (8.5 SB) K 8 T (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 calls

Turn: (6.25 BB) A (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 calls

River: (10.25 BB) 4 (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 calls

Final Pot: 14.25 BB
MP1 mucks A J
Hero shows Q Q (a flush, Ace high)
Hero wins 13.75 BB
(Rake: $0.50)

How many hours/day do you guys put in (on average)?

I play and study the game for a total of about 20 hours/wk right now.

How many hours/day do you guys put in (on average)?

varying extreme. Weekends I doesn't do much.

Weekdays, it depends on the study load for the last 1½ week I played 3 hours a day and prob +2 hours study-review-DC-chat

Great hands BG - but the Q over J is just a little lucky it wasnt' the other way around

A passive and a Maniac - does it get any better

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
Limit Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($30.70)
BB ($12.15)
UTG ($13.55)
Hero ($50.10)
BTN ($57.25)

Dealt to Hero 9A

UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $1, fold, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.50, UTG calls $0.50,

FLOP ($4) 9AJ

SB bets $0.50, BB folds, UTG raises to $1, Hero calls $1, SB raises to $1.50, UTG raises to $2, Hero calls $1, SB calls $0.50,

TURN ($10) 9AJ5

check, UTG bets $1, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $2, UTG raises to $3, Hero calls $1, SB calls $1,

RIVER ($19) 9AJ5A

SB bets $1, UTG raises to $2, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2, UTG folds,

Hero shows 9A
(Flop 92.5%, Turn 96.6%)

SB shows 3A
(Flop 7.5%, Turn 3.4%)

Hero wins $26

40 min later making another moster vs the UTG from the hand above that at this time hand spewed away 30BB for 44 hands and was down to shortstack (for the 2nd time)

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
Limit Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($61.89)
BB ($33.60)
UTG ($19.68)
UTG+1 ($9.25)
CO ($56.36)
Hero ($68.77)

Dealt to Hero QA

UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, fold, Hero raises to $1, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50,

FLOP ($3.75) AA4

check, UTG+1 bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, UTG folds,

TURN ($4.75) AA4J

UTG+1 bets $1, Hero calls $1,

RIVER ($6.75) AA4J8

UTG+1 bets $1, Hero raises to $2, UTG+1 raises to $3, Hero raises to $4, UTG+1 raises to $5, Hero raises to $6, UTG+1 raises to $6.75 (AI), Hero calls $0.75,

UTG+1 shows A3
(Flop 21.6%, Turn 13.6%)

Hero shows QA
(Flop 78.4%, Turn 86.4%)

Hero wins $19.25

Making BIG hands vs bad opponents are the nuts. And running a little good doesn't make it worse

Today there were two vewy serwious German efficiency ultra tight TAGs at my .05/.10 table sitting right beside each other and trying to outlevel each other BvB

VEWY SEWIOUS

hehehe I can never resist ^.^

On a side note I have found that a couple ultra tights mixed in with a couple loose fish is a nice combo. Fold equity on the left, value on the right ^.^

I had put you on Ignore... but im not a German Tag

To the latter... Seriously, you first found that now