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I'm not really sure about how 10/20nl is played, but why do you always put bluffs in this range? It seems like a standard play in SS to raise FD,SD,sets and over pairs or whatever. Why did you not buy his line? How did you know his exact holdings from pf. If you had reads on him, would you be able to tell us?
Is this because of the relatively dry flop texture, he would slow play his sets to get more value and raise on later streets? Was this an exact read that you had? I would expect villains not to repeat their same action over and over again when you get to mid-stakes or higher. Any contribution would be great!
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how much influences the 4 to a straight board your call on the river?
let's say turn is the 6c (79 still gets there) and your hand is 85 instead of 86. basically, how much less ploarized is his range then? could he stil vbet 79, 88 or T8 on the river and how much (if) less likely are you to call the A river then?
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Lol, I remember that 86 calldown. I'm half-way through the video and I think the 86s hand is the best by far, but knowing MTT numbskulls a little bit better now, it could be conceivable for some of them to show up with something like a 5 high flush on the river.
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Grindcore
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I'm not really sure about how 10/20nl is played, but why do you always put bluffs in this range? It seems like a standard play in SS to raise FD,SD,sets and over pairs or whatever. Why did you not buy his line? How did you know his exact holdings from pf. If you had reads on him, would you be able to tell us?
Is this because of the relatively dry flop texture, he would slow play his sets to get more value and raise on later streets? Was this an exact read that you had? I would expect villains not to repeat their same action over and over again when you get to mid-stakes or higher. Any contribution would be great!
At lower stakes your opponents usually don't adjust, but when you play at higher stakes against thinking regulars, you can anticipate them adjusting to your play even before you've seen the actual adjustment. Based on the play we had so far this session, I was really sure he would try to trap me on a board like this. It's basicly just leveling. Ofcourse if he'd think 1 level higher he'd raise for value knowing I'd anticipate a slowplay, but that would be giving me an enormous ammount of credit for knowing I'd actually make some sort of play etc, and he had no reason to think that. There's not much value in me explaining my 10/20 reads because the things you'd learn from it won't be applicable at all at your own stakes. I showed the hand because of the creative line I took to exploit him based on the read.
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Lol, I remember that 86 calldown. I'm half-way through the video and I think the 86s hand is the best by far, but knowing MTT numbskulls a little bit better now, it could be conceivable for some of them to show up with something like a 5 high flush on the river.
True, though even then I still think I'm not even making a potodds call, but I'm in fact a favourite. 
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Grindcore
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how much influences the 4 to a straight board your call on the river?
let's say turn is the 6c (79 still gets there) and your hand is 85 instead of 86. basically, how much less ploarized is his range then? could he stil vbet 79, 88 or T8 on the river and how much (if) less likely are you to call the A river then?
I think 79 88 T8 he'd raise preflop to isolate the fish. His limping range is probably something like 22-55 54s 43s 64s. If the board wouldn't 4straight and he would be limping T8 88 etc then he'd definatly vbet them, and his sizing would also make sense given my minbet-call on the flop looking like a weak hand.
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The thought process demonstrated in this video is pure gold.
On a side note, it is kind of interesting why you chose hands where you actually win at showdown. I understand that not folding around when you're ahead is a huge part of your profit. However its not where you build up most of your non SD profit. Or am i wrong?
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wow sick but great rivercall - why I am not able to do so?xD
but I would not like too much in the 1st thought a C/Call on turn:
Yeah you have vs. him a nice Bluffcatcher on turn, but will he bluff enough when you do not doublebarrel such a default "2ndBarell-card"?
A weekend fish doesn't care much for me not barreling the barrelcard. It's why you barrel your air there in the first place, because it works so often despite you being blatantly unbalanced in such spots.
He's not gonna float 6 high and then decide to check it down because I didn't bet the A turn. He floated the flop to bluff me later. If anything, I think he'll bluff an A more often than any other card. The biggest downside of the A is that he actually hits it alot with his Ax floats.
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Grindcore
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The thought process demonstrated in this video is pure gold.
On a side note, it is kind of interesting why you chose hands where you actually win at showdown. I understand that not folding around when you're ahead is a huge part of your profit. However its not where you build up most of your non SD profit. Or am i wrong?
Take the J high call in the end. I estimate I have 40% equity or so there. That means when I call my blue line will be going down, as I'm an underdog. If I fold, my red line will go down. So by getting reads that allow you to make +EV bluffcatches, your red line usually goes up and your blue line down, compared with the fold that you'd otherwise have made. It's not often that you're actually a favourite against his range when you bluffcatch the river. This video might have had some hands where that's the case but the majority of bluffcatches involve you being an underdog.
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Prologion
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A weekend fish doesn't care much for me not barreling the barrelcard. It's why you barrel your air there in the first place, because it works so often despite you being blatantly unbalanced in such spots.
He's not gonna float 6 high and then decide to check it down because I didn't bet the A turn. He floated the flop to bluff me later. If anything, I think he'll bluff an A more often than any other card. The biggest downside of the A is that he actually hits it alot with his Ax floats.
ah, thought he was a REG - anyways, thx very much for answering^^
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