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Should I fold turn or river? I think pre and flop are standard? Learning and very new obv...

thanks for any comments!

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 699186
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MP: $37.50
CO: $161.75
BTN: $148.85
Hero (SB): $84.80
BB: $118.30
UTG: $72.65

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with J A A 9
1 fold, MP raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, Hero raises to $7, 3 folds, BTN calls $5.25

Flop: ($18.00) 8 6 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($18.00) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $9, Hero calls $9

River: ($36.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $36, Hero calls $36

What's with the small reraise preflop? Just pot it - raising small does absolutely nothing here and doesn't change the frequency that MP will reraise but does increase the frequency that other players will call. Pretty much a bad situation all around.

It's a great squeeze spot too, so you won't get *as much* credit for AA** (they'll still put you on AA** but that's fine because you have such great sidecards here).

So yeah. Raise preflop to pot. The only time I'd really mess around with other raise sizes here is if MP had like $20 at which point raising to an amount that allows him to re-open the action is better than potting.

You're probably not good here on the river 1/3 so I'd probably fold, I guess turn is ok since you have the gutterball too (I'd fold if you didn't). Kinda sucks since the gutter is no longer to the nuts but it's probably close enough to call once and hope he gives up.

Rob

Thanks, yeah dunno what I was doing pre, maybe trying to encourage someone to come over the top with a smaller raise, that seems dumb in retrospect. On the river my thinking is that people don't really bet pot very often without great hands at this limit, but on the other hand wtf does he have? Would he check something like 87 on that flop? I have a jack blocker to JJ also.

Thanks, yeah dunno what I was doing pre, maybe trying to encourage someone to come over the top with a smaller raise, that seems dumb in retrospect. On the river my thinking is that people don't really bet pot very often without great hands at this limit, but on the other hand wtf does he have? Would he check something like 87 on that flop? I have a jack blocker to JJ also.

A lot of players would check something like 87 on this flop, though not 100% you'll see it often. Same goes for hands like J89x, JJTx, etc. More importantly I think players don't usually check the flop as a bluff/pot control then bet 1/2 pot on the turn and full pot on the river, it's usually more often that they bet on flop or not at all when they are bluffing.

Also just generally speaking in PLO it's harder to induce people to reraise stupidly preflop when you give them enticing odds to call, and if they're likely to do something stupid when you make it small preflop they're almost equally likely to do something equally stupid when you make it big -- this is especially true multiway. See here for examples.

Rob

Any reads on villain? Standard 50PLO donk? If so I think we can clearely fold the river, just cause they'll be like "nuts! pot it!" with a hand like J8xx 87xx.

FWIW I definitely think T9xx is completely out of his range given the flop check and turn bet sizing, and river bet sizing for that matter.

If the villain was aggro and thinking, I like your call a lot more obv.

Are we check-folding the flop? I wouldn't make it standard to just check here every time with Aces and with the gutter and b-door flush draw I'd probably c-bet here.

As played I'd probably c-call the turn and c-fold to the pot bet on river. I kind of wish you had check-raised the turn just to see the BTNs reaction because I think you're not going to get called like almost ever and you can barrel big on the river when the board doesn't pair. It might be a nice line to have in your arsenal.

Pot pre and you got premium aces and want to get it in pre. And the way you played it you got to fold the flop and the turn no one is going to bluff the turn and river with out a straight

Are we check-folding the flop? I wouldn't make it standard to just check here every time with Aces and with the gutter and b-door flush draw I'd probably c-bet here.

BTN seems pretty passive so I agree, I'd cbet here. Just 1/2 pot. I'm not sure I'd cbet a more aggressive player, though. That flop could be all over a BTN double cold caller's range and highly bluffable. In Villain's shoes, I'd be bluffing that flop with a lot of my range, definitely all my straight draws.