DanhBai
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I wasn't trying to be disrespectful, but my post obv comes across that way. I have seen many coache's graphs on various training sites and i always feel like saying something, so this time i just did. I know nothing about high stakes, i only play micro-small stakes and i am naive in this respect. I regret the post and I apologize.
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MPHansen
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Berge20
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at around 31 minutes what do you think about omlphaotus's flop play. It seems pretty terrible to me, is there something I'm missing?
That was my impression too, so love additional insight.
The guy's getting just about 10:1 with fully implied odds, and I suppose he's got a BD FD and possibly pair outs some of the time--but how often does he expect to get to SD here w/o spiking his gutter? On a paired board no less.
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dwater
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I'm just curious, do you think I'm a trust fund baby or something? Where do you think I make my money? Do you think my internet persona is a hoax?
I know I'm supposed to be respectful here because I work for the site and you are a paying member, but the customer isn't always right and in this case isn't always respectful. When this comes from random idiots in NVG on 2p2 I feel comfortable ignoring it and don't pay much attention, but when it's so personal and its on DC I feel like I need to respond.
The naivete that you have is enraging. What makes you so confident that tableratings is accurate? As far as I can tell, they haven't tracked any hands where run it twice is on, and ever since FTP introduced that I have been on a real nice heater. I mean I don't even know what else to say, it isn't accurate and if you don't believe me, then don't watch my videos. Or, better yet, play me heads up and find out for yourself. It's amazing the people who make these posts of yours. It's always people who have never played me.
Emil has been crushing more than just about anyone I know recently, but you of course would believe that he is a 1m dollar loser.
I will say I am down about 150k playing 25/50 HU in the last 4-5 months, and it's gotten a big part of that downswing. Luckily I have done really well in 6m games and PLO since then, and I haven't had much to complain about. If you don't believe me, that's fine.
Carry on.
In my opinion your reply comes across as very thin skinned.
Maybe the poster could have phrased his question a bit more diplomatically but your "HU4ROLLZ" reply comes across as extremely defensive.
The member is not saying he is better than you.
He is asking if you can win at the levels you are making the video at?
Again in my opinion its a FAIR question to ASK if the coach can actually win at the level they play.
The recent Jason Ho and Stoxtrader scandals have shown that the word of a coach can not be trusted 100%.
The one thing that came out of the Jason Ho scandal was that many people were amazed that more questions were not asked of coaches and their ability to win.
The problem is if anyone dares ask a reasonable question they get shot down in flames instead of reasonable replies stating exactly what their winrate is at various levels.
PTR is not perfect by a long way but I have found it reasonably reliable for my own results.
Thats the only personal experience I can offer.
As a small stakes Full ring player I tend to follow coaches that have an excellent record in beating the games I am playing or higher over a decent sample.
Just at DC Nolan, Threads13, Sounded simple, Discobisco and NL Fool.
Without exception they all have excellent PTR graphs over large samples.
At other coaching sites I pay for membership I also follow a number of coaches who again have proven they can win over a large sample in games that I either play in or am close to playing in.
Is anyting I have said unreasonable?
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dwater
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I also have a follow up question related to the video and PTR.
I did a quick search of all the players you sat down with in this video and they are all pretty big winners at mid to high stakes.
There were no losing/big fish players at the table.
Can you give us your thought process on why you would sit down at such a table?
How much of an edge do you think you can have against such a line up?
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KritiKal
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I'd also like to hear your thoughts on his flop call, in the video you kind of brushed past it like it was standard but it seemed strange. Do you think he would ever look to bluff later in the hand or was it a call just for value?
Also, if T9 is in his range isn't an 8 also a strong possibility?
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KritiKal
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Ansky
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In my opinion your reply comes across as very thin skinned.
Maybe the poster could have phrased his question a bit more diplomatically but your "HU4ROLLZ" reply comes across as extremely defensive.
The member is not saying he is better than you.
He is asking if you can win at the levels you are making the video at?
Again in my opinion its a FAIR question to ASK if the coach can actually win at the level they play.
The recent Jason Ho and Stoxtrader scandals have shown that the word of a coach can not be trusted 100%.
The one thing that came out of the Jason Ho scandal was that many people were amazed that more questions were not asked of coaches and their ability to win.
The problem is if anyone dares ask a reasonable question they get shot down in flames instead of reasonable replies stating exactly what their winrate is at various levels.
PTR is not perfect by a long way but I have found it reasonably reliable for my own results.
Thats the only personal experience I can offer.
As a small stakes Full ring player I tend to follow coaches that have an excellent record in beating the games I am playing or higher over a decent sample.
Just at DC Nolan, Threads13, Sounded simple, Discobisco and NL Fool.
Without exception they all have excellent PTR graphs over large samples.
At other coaching sites I pay for membership I also follow a number of coaches who again have proven they can win over a large sample in games that I either play in or am close to playing in.
Is anyting I have said unreasonable?
I am a lifetime small winner at 50/100, although that is with a sample size of less than 20k hands probably so it means next to nothing.
I have played probably more than 400k hands of 25/50 lifetime across all sites, and I am a winner, though I have broken even at it over the last 8 months or so.
I am a lifetime loser at all stakes above 50/100, though again it's with a pretty small sample. If you think this is reason enough not to watch me playing 50/100, then I really have nothing to say to that, it is your prerogative.
And regarding what you interpret as him "asking" if I win at the stakes I play, all I have to say is, did we read the same post? He assumed I didn't win at poker (at all), and asked why he should give a shit what I have to say. So I responded with a similar level of respect as I received.
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Ansky
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Ansky
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I also have a follow up question related to the video and PTR.
I did a quick search of all the players you sat down with in this video and they are all pretty big winners at mid to high stakes.
There were no losing/big fish players at the table.
Can you give us your thought process on why you would sit down at such a table?
How much of an edge do you think you can have against such a line up?
I am very happy to give away basically everything I got in my head when I make a video . You guys are paying for our strategy and understanding of the game, and I respond with everything I got. One thing I will not reveal, are things like super specific reads I have on my regular opponents, tendencies I think they have, and their weaknesses.
Your post exemplifies everything that is wrong with the new culture of PTR in online poker. You look at a lineup as a small/mid stakes player and see the bottom line as some sort of function of the collective negative win rates of the fish at the table. This is pretty reasonable when you have your pick of 30+ tables that are running, and you play 9-27 tables or whatever you play. At higher stakes though, I'd say things are a little different. First of all, just because someone wins on PTR, doesn't mean they are not a fish, or at least a weakish player. Secondly, there is more to a lineup than the collective pt/bb. There is also your position at the table. Third, players sometimes tilt. There are tables I wouldn't play at even if there was a fish at the table if I didn't like my spot, and if the other players at the table were all beasts.
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Ansky
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I'd also like to hear your thoughts on his flop call, in the video you kind of brushed past it like it was standard but it seemed strange. Do you think he would ever look to bluff later in the hand or was it a call just for value?
Also, if T9 is in his range isn't an 8 also a strong possibility?
Eh, I think his flop call is reasonable. It might not be +EV but it's barely -EV at worst. He has very deceptive gutter, a bd flush draw, and possibly pair outs. He also might be able to win the pot later if I give up on a turn bet.
Yes some 8s are possible, it's definitely a stack off though.
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Ansky
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why dont u openraise every button with these big antes 130bb deep?
Why min raise? I think you get called a ton. I'd prefer to raise 3x. I have no problem with possibly raising more than I was raising, but I think you just set yourself up to get relentlessly 3bet when you do it too much.
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Ansky
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What do you think is his range here he is check/raising? Wouldn't he be c-betting his value hands ( overpairs, sets, toppair etc) and check/calling his draws and weak made hands?
He's really not repping a lot here I think. What do you think of making a small 3bet here, or click-it-back?
A lot of assumptions in this post I don't agree with. Seems like you'd be pretty easy to level
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Ansky
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You're talking about 3betting junkier hands here (instead of good ones) and hot/cold equity. A couple (fishy?) questions:
1) Does hot/cold equity refer to basically getting it in pre and letting the board run out?
2) Do we expect to cbet and take it down with the junkier hands if called when we're OOP?
3) Does a smaller stack to pot ratio dictate that we HAVE to get it in with any piece? Are we going all the way with, for example, K5 on a KT4 two tone or 852 rainbow?
Thanks!
1) Yes when I say hot/cold equity I mean just heads up all in equity. ie, the difference in equity between 96s vs AK and 98s vs AK is 2%-- but obviously 98s is a much better hand.
2) sometimes?
3) No definitely not have to, but it certainly makes it more likely to play for stacks when you have 3x pot with top pair shitty kicker, vs 15x pot.
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