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What to do When Season 2 - donked into after preflop cap hands


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Thanks to BigBadBabar for this fun topic (and some aggro preflop play!) Please post any comments and/or questions for the upcoming videos here, if you could quote the hand you are discussing in your reply that would be groovy.

Hand #1
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with K Club Q Diamond
2 folds, Hero raises, Nysa1 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps!, Nysa1 calls

Flop: (9 SB) 9 Spade T Spade 9 Diamond (2 players)
Nysa1 bets, Hero raises, Nysa1 3-bets, Hero calls

Turn: (7.5 BB) 3 Spade (2 players)
Nysa1 bets, Hero calls

River: (9.5 BB) A Spade (2 players)
Nysa1 bets, Hero folds

Hand #2
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is MP with 6 Spade 6 Diamond
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, gambleallday 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps!, gambleallday calls

Flop: (9 SB) K Spade 4 Diamond 9 Diamond (2 players)
gambleallday bets, Hero raises, gambleallday 3-bets, Hero calls

Turn: (7.5 BB) 4 Heart (2 players)
gambleallday bets, Hero calls

River: (9.5 BB) 8 Heart (2 players)
gambleallday bets, Hero calls

Hand #3
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with T Spade T Club
Hero raises, 1 fold, hot ruben 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps!, hot ruben calls

Flop: (9 SB) 9 Heart 3 Spade 8 Diamond (2 players)
hot ruben bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) 9 Diamond (2 players)
hot ruben bets, Hero calls

River: (7.5 BB) 9 Spade (2 players)
hot ruben bets, Hero raises, hot ruben calls

Hand #4
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with 8 Spade 8 Heart
3 folds, Hero raises, lazybrady 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps!, lazybrady calls

Flop: (9 SB) A Heart 9 Diamond K Heart (2 players)
lazybrady bets, Hero folds

Hand #5
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with K Club A Club
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, uh_oh64 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps!, uh_oh64 calls

Flop: (9 SB) T Diamond 3 Diamond K Spade (2 players)
uh_oh64 bets, Hero raises, uh_oh64 calls

Turn: (6.5 BB) Q Spade (2 players)
uh_oh64 checks, Hero bets, uh_oh64 calls

River: (8.5 BB) 9 Heart (2 players)
uh_oh64 checks, Hero bets, uh_oh64 calls

Hand #6
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with A Club T Club
Hero raises, 1 fold, scottid187 3-bets, Hero caps!, scottid187 calls

Flop: (8.5 SB) 8 Club T Heart 3 Club (2 players)
scottid187 bets, Hero raises, scottid187 3-bets, Hero caps!, scottid187 calls

Turn: (8.25 BB) 7 Diamond (2 players)
scottid187 bets, Hero calls

River: (10.25 BB) 3 Diamond (2 players)
scottid187 bets, Hero calls

Hand #7
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with 7 Club 7 Heart
Hero raises, krammark3 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps!, krammark3 calls

Flop: (9 SB) 3 Spade 8 Diamond 9 Club (2 players)
krammark3 bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) 3 Club (2 players)
krammark3 bets, Hero calls

River: (7.5 BB) Q Spade (2 players)
krammark3 bets, Hero calls

Hand #8
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with T Diamond J Diamond
Hero raises, sabir139 3-bets, Hero caps!, sabir139 calls

Flop: (8 SB) K Heart J Heart 8 Heart (2 players)
sabir139 bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5 BB) T Spade (2 players)
sabir139 bets, Hero raises, sabir139 calls

River: (9 BB) 8 Club (2 players)
sabir139 checks, Hero checks

Hand #9
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with T Spade A Spade
Hero raises, Nanook of North 3-bets, Hero caps!, Nanook of North calls

Flop: (8 SB) 3 Spade Q Heart 8 Heart (2 players)
Nanook of North bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5 BB) 4 Club (2 players)
Nanook of North bets, Hero folds

Hand #10
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 Club 7 Heart
Hero raises, CelticsPsquared 3-bets, Hero caps!, CelticsPsquared calls

Flop: (8 SB) J Diamond 6 Diamond A Heart (2 players)
CelticsPsquared bets, Hero folds

Hand #11
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with K Club Q Spade
Hero raises, Faksen 3-bets, Hero caps!, Faksen calls

Flop: (8 SB) 6 Club J Club 5 Diamond (2 players)
Faksen bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5 BB) 4 Heart (2 players)
Faksen bets, Hero folds

Hand #12
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with A Diamond K Club
Hero raises, BOSINELLO 3-bets, Hero caps!, BOSINELLO calls

Flop: (8 SB) A Spade 6 Diamond 6 Heart (2 players)
BOSINELLO bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5 BB) 4 Spade (2 players)
BOSINELLO bets, Hero raises, BOSINELLO 3-bets, Hero caps!, BOSINELLO calls

River: (13 BB) J Diamond (2 players)
BOSINELLO bets, Hero calls

Hand #13
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with A Spade Q Spade
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, sedatedbeing raises all in, Feet_of_Clay caps!, Hero caps!, Feet_of_Clay calls

Flop: (10.375 SB) 7 Heart 7 Club 8 Diamond (3 players - 1 is all in)
Feet_of_Clay bets, Hero calls

Turn: (6.188 BB) Q Diamond (3 players - 1 is all in)
Feet_of_Clay bets, Hero raises, Feet_of_Clay 3-bets, Hero calls

River: (12.188 BB) A Club (3 players - 1 is all in)
Feet_of_Clay checks, Hero bets, Feet_of_Clay calls

Hand #14
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with K Spade J Spade
Hero raises, misha9121 3-bets, Hero caps!, misha9121 calls

Flop: (8 SB) 9 Heart 8 Heart 5 Club (2 players)
misha9121 bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5 BB) 3 Spade (2 players)
misha9121 bets, Hero folds

Hand #15
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with 6 Club 6 Spade
Hero raises, godmanGM 3-bets, Hero caps!, godmanGM calls

Flop: (8 SB) K Spade K Diamond 9 Diamond (2 players)
godmanGM bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5 BB) 4 Club (2 players)
godmanGM bets, Hero calls

River: (7 BB) 3 Club (2 players)
godmanGM bets, Hero calls

Hand #16
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with 9 Diamond A Diamond
2 folds, Hero raises, Kobayashi_MARUU 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps!, Kobayashi_MARUU calls

Flop: (9 SB) J Diamond T Diamond J Heart (2 players)
Kobayashi_MARUU bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) 9 Spade (2 players)
Kobayashi_MARUU bets, Hero calls

River: (7.5 BB) 8 Club (2 players)
Kobayashi_MARUU bets, Hero calls

Posted almost 2 years ago

CarbonCopy

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Note: I don't play this high so I am likely unfamiliar with the game dynamics at this level.

Hand 1

I don't like the flop raise. It doesn't feel like there is value, and it also doesn't feel like anything better would be inclined to fold. The rest of the hand feels standard.

Hand 2
I would not cap this pre, but I don't usually cap HU so it's probably a stylistic difference. Given we decided to raise the flop, calling down from the 3b sounds good. I would fold if a broadway diamond fell.

Hand 3
Suddenly we have a strong hand and we decide to just smooth call the donk. I don't really like it and would probably raise the flop. Maybe the villain is passive in which case the river raise may not be that good given that a passive villain may not be barreling overcards or worse pocket pairs.

Hand 4
Folding feels pretty standard except against maniacal villains, especially since our hand is probably at the bottom of our capping range.

Hand 5
Perfect.

Hand 6

I think this is played fine, get there next time though.

Hand 7
It's interesting that this flop is not raised unlike the previous ones, again this isn't a type of hand I cap pre, not that I cap HU. I think postflop is standard with the river being the only close decision vs. some passive players that might just check AJ,AK type hands on the river.

Hand 8
Seems reasonable, river seems close to a value bet, but given the action his hands are probably weighted more towards K and missed FD.

Hand 9
Seems fine, I recognize this villain as a LAG and a flop lead seems peculiar range wise here but the board is not a particularly good one to call down on.

Hand 10
Terrible flop texture, bottom of range, fold seems std but I don't play much HUHU.

Hand 11

Pretty much behind villains range, especially if he's apt to lead a lot of AJ+ type hands. Flop peel is fine given our potential pair+backdoor outs.

Hand 12

I like it, and expect to chop a lot. Villain can also have AQ and AJ here sometimes while we beat AQ, a raise is probably bad given we'd have to call a 3b.

Hand 13

Pretty standard.

Hand 14
These spots suck but there's not much else you can do.

Hand 15

Bloated pot, our hand has poor absolute strength, good relative strength with RIO, call down seems appropriate.

Hand 16
I think the river is a fold. I thought it was a call at first, but there just isn't many combos he can be bluffing with. The bottom of his range is something like AK, which should just c/f the river and you'll get value-towned in this spot all day. I'm having trouble thinking of possible bluffing hands.

I don't like this board texture to semibluff, if I were to semibluff it would be on the turn, and the turn card is a poor card to semi-bluff on as we pull ahead of the range that he's likely to fold.

Posted almost 2 years ago

iammojay

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Hand #2: Capping 66 here from middle position seems unnecessary. The SB's 3bet range is naturally much tighter than if the initial open-raise came from the CO or BT. And to follow up with a raise on the flop(with the intention of calling down) with one of the lowest hands in the Hero's range seems wasteful. IMO, calling down or maybe even raising turn (with the intention of folding to a 3bet) make better sense. This is the only hand that I think was definitively misplayed.

Hand #11: I'm a bit surprised that Hero lays down KQ on the turn here in a heads up game with position. Isn't there a chance that Faksen gives up on the river with weaker hands? Combined with the two overcards I'd think 6:1 is enough to call the turn.

Posted almost 2 years ago

thew92

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Hand 1
I thinks its best just to call the flop here. It is to likly you will be 3-bet on the flop given the action the raise accomplishes nothing. Call Turn as played. Fold river

Hand 2
I would play this hand wayahead/waybehind. Just calling down would be best villians hand range is too strong.

Hand 3
Raise Flop bet down.

Hand 4
Fold Flop

Hand 5
I play it just like that. Maybe wait for the turn to raise.

Hand 6
I play it the same.

Hand 7
I would raise this flop. And bet down

Hand 8
I play it the same

Hand 9
I play it the same

Hand 10
Nice fold

Hand 11
Seems like a standard peel/fold

Hand 12
I would raise the flop but nothing wrong with wait for the turn.

Hand 13
The river donk is a little strange as we only improved to beat KK.

Hand 14
Looks good.

Hand 15
I think the call down is correct here.

Hand 16
I think a free card flop raise might be best here.

Posted almost 2 years ago

iammojay

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One more thing. On hand #3, why did you wait for the river to raise?

Posted almost 2 years ago

Boomer

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Hand 1:

I prefer a call here I think. We're ahead of all gutshots/straight draws and all flush draws except for A-high. This is the type of board where A-high and pairs don't fold no matter what action you put in unless the board comes horrific so despite what could be 10 outs or even the best hand I'm not sure about the value in a raise, I think w/ AK this could be very close to a value raise as we could legitimately get called down by worse but even then it's razor thin and you'd need a pretyt damn good read on his donking frequencies.

Once I'd called the flop I'd actually more than likely look to show this hand down except on maybe 8s or something like that as we do beat all gutshot and straight draw combos currently. Sure we're probably going to get owned by 55 occasionally but it's not like 55 is folding unless we beat it on this board anyway.

As it's come, I don't think we've got much option but to fold the river. if it was an offsuit Ace I'd probably still be tempted to showdown getting what would be over 8-1

The only caveat would be if you have a very specific read that your opponent likes to donk and spew with draws in which case raising to induce a spew with a draw then calling down would be fine but that's an incredibly specific read and I highly doubt many players at 10/20 are that exploitable.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Boomer

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Hand 2:

WOOO Party Time!!

I'm pretty much in "hit call button 3 times" mode here. I'm not sure what the raise really accomplishes without a "donk = BS he'll spew with" style read. I don't see him folding better (77-88 specifically?) and your "value" is pretty much 60/40 or doomed vs his range for 3-betting a MP raise and donking into a cap (Big Cards/Pairs maybe big draws).

With calling the flop I was considering a Raise for Showdown on the Turn (notice i didn't say "Free") but if this guy's pretty laggro we could end up getting bet-3-Bet semi-bluffed off the best hand in a big pot which would be a disaster so hitting call 3 times and folding on Qd-Td would be fine I think.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Boomer

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Hand 3:

Given I appear to like Calling vs Donk bets, especailly on a semi-peelable board like this is, I like calling and raising the turn here. We block the straight draws and he could have our opponent drawing pretty thin here.

I'm interested in raise turn vs raise River though. I realise on teh river it becomes obviousl we have the nuts pretty much and we get the same out of a draw either way...i think it's interesting and I'd like to hear the views on this one. I'm not sold but I certainly see it as being a potenially decent line.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Boomer

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Hand 7:

Again a semi-peelable flop w/ "middling draws". The turn's a brick so any though to putting in a raise and maybe getting a light look up (from a disblieving A-high) or an extra bet out of a drawing hand, again like in hand 3 we block a lot of the drawing possibilities/outs.

That said I don't mind calling down either and that'd probably be my default line I'm just throwing out possibilities.

The river's a bit of a nightmare. JT completes, some overcard gutters complete. If a card was going to make me fold that'd be it. 8.5-1 is a price though...

Posted almost 2 years ago

Boomer

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Hand 8:

Yikes, do I want to value bet this river?

This just stinks of a 1 card FD but if it's the A-high flush draw will he pay off on the board pair? I doubt it tbh. We now also lose to random 8+ a heart hands and any K so I think Check back's fine. I'm gnashing my teeth on the river though.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Boomer

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Hand 9:

Ooooh Boomer wanna call down here.

Qh8hxx style board. There are too many BS hands here for me to consider that we're always beehind here. All we know so far is he's 3-bet us preflop in a HUHU game and he's led into us when we capped which could be a wide range (our capping range that is)

The turn changes abosultely nothing so we're getting, 6-1 immediate and 7-2 on a calldown here with definite potential to:

1) Have the best hand
2) Improve to a better hand

I think, first up vs an unknown, I'm hitting call 3 times here which brings me neatly onto...

Hand 11:

Very similar hand BUT on this occasion the 4 does complete some obvious draws/gives pairs so I'm a little less inclinded to hit call 3 times although i doubt peeling the turn would be that bad. He may give up on a bluff/we may improve getting 6-1 with our 2 overs.

Not sure if there's a disconnect here that I find Hand 9 am more obvious calldown but i think there are more semi-bluffs in our opponents range in hand 9 and crucially the turn does play a part in Hand 11 where it doesn't really in Hand 9.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Boomer

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Hand 12:

Only bone of contention may be with the cap on the turn. We've capped preflop flatted flop and raise turn in position which is a monster line and is SCREAMING AJ+ at our opponent and he doesn't care and 3-bets.

That said AK may be too much hand not to 4-bet here. When he leads the river I die a little inside and call.

Hand 14:

Hmmm. So many cards we're going to have to fold on the turn here. That said we can continue on any T-K so yeah peels probably fine. Rest is standard.

Hand 15:

Why didn't you do this in Hand 2? j/k Wink

Hand 16:

RIVAAAAR!! Ugh this is nasty. He can't even have AdKd here. Just seems like AK or some ridiculous PP is all you best here and I don't think that makes up for the rest of your opponent's range. River may very well be a fold...I guess we beat K9 too...blegh.

Very interesting hands, enjoyed that.

Posted almost 2 years ago

justbluffu

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Thanks to BigBadBabar for this fun topic (and some aggro preflop play!) Please post any comments and/or questions for the upcoming videos here, if you could quote the hand you are discussing in your reply that would be groovy.

Hand #1
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with K Club Q Diamond
2 folds, Hero raises, Nysa1 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps!, Nysa1 calls

Flop: (9 SB) 9 Spade T Spade 9 Diamond (2 players)
Nysa1 bets, Hero raises, Nysa1 3-bets, Hero calls

Turn: (7.5 BB) 3 Spade (2 players)
Nysa1 bets, Hero calls

River: (9.5 BB) A Spade (2 players)
Nysa1 bets, Hero folds




i dont like this floprais, he could donk TT,AA,random T or a draw (or a PP lower than 9), against the PP we can call F+T, against the draws we are ahead and against the other hands we get often a 3-bet. so i would call the flop and the turn and reevaluate at the river.

Hand #2
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is MP with 6 Spade 6 Diamond
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, gambleallday 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps!, gambleallday calls

Flop: (9 SB) K Spade 4 Diamond 9 Diamond (2 players)
gambleallday bets, Hero raises, gambleallday 3-bets, Hero calls

Turn: (7.5 BB) 4 Heart (2 players)
gambleallday bets, Hero calls

River: (9.5 BB) 8 Heart (2 players)
gambleallday bets, Hero calls



i dont like the rais at all, if he donks a draw he has such a good equity against us (JT of diamonds e.g. is a good fav vs us) and he has mostlikely 6 outs vs us (which i think he wont fold on the turn often when we rais the flop). i would like a call on the Flop and look what the turn and river brings


Hand #3
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with T Spade T Club
Hero raises, 1 fold, hot ruben 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps!, hot ruben calls

Flop: (9 SB) 9 Heart 3 Spade 8 Diamond (2 players)
hot ruben bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) 9 Diamond (2 players)
hot ruben bets, Hero calls

River: (7.5 BB) 9 Spade (2 players)
hot ruben bets, Hero raises, hot ruben calls



i like your delay here, he will just valuebet AK every street and most people just b/c river like everytime, also you get the most value from the draws + on this he 9x is ahead vs us which is quite a good part of his range


Hand #4
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with 8 Spade 8 Heart
3 folds, Hero raises, lazybrady 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps!, lazybrady calls

Flop: (9 SB) A Heart 9 Diamond K Heart (2 players)
lazybrady bets, Hero folds



i like it, against his donking range we are just dead.


Hand #5
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with K Club A Club
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, uh_oh64 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps!, uh_oh64 calls

Flop: (9 SB) T Diamond 3 Diamond K Spade (2 players)
uh_oh64 bets, Hero raises, uh_oh64 calls

Turn: (6.5 BB) Q Spade (2 players)
uh_oh64 checks, Hero bets, uh_oh64 calls

River: (8.5 BB) 9 Heart (2 players)
uh_oh64 checks, Hero bets, uh_oh64 calls




i like it too, most people might think you want to "rebluff" cheaply and so they d/cd a pocket. also you induce 3-bet bluffs on the flop which is kinda nice Smile
overall i think we have a better risk/reward percentage


Hand #6
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with A Club T Club
Hero raises, 1 fold, scottid187 3-bets, Hero caps!, scottid187 calls

Flop: (8.5 SB) 8 Club T Heart 3 Club (2 players)
scottid187 bets, Hero raises, scottid187 3-bets, Hero caps!, scottid187 calls

Turn: (8.25 BB) 7 Diamond (2 players)
scottid187 bets, Hero calls

River: (10.25 BB) 3 Diamond (2 players)
scottid187 bets, Hero calls




yeah nice, he might 3-bet also with draws here (which he has quite a lot in his range imo) and we dont loose a lot vs better hands cause we have such a good equity on the flop (e.g. on blank turn i think equity drops like 5-10%). also here better risk/reward percantage than call Flop rais Turn


Hand #7
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with 7 Club 7 Heart
Hero raises, krammark3 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps!, krammark3 calls

Flop: (9 SB) 3 Spade 8 Diamond 9 Club (2 players)
krammark3 bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) 3 Club (2 players)
krammark3 bets, Hero calls

River: (7.5 BB) Q Spade (2 players)
krammark3 bets, Hero calls



not a lot draws out there, he can donk a lot better hands, you dont want him to fold AK and JT has good equity vs you => rais isnt too profitabel => i like


Hand #8
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with T Diamond J Diamond
Hero raises, sabir139 3-bets, Hero caps!, sabir139 calls

Flop: (8 SB) K Heart J Heart 8 Heart (2 players)
sabir139 bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5 BB) T Spade (2 players)
sabir139 bets, Hero raises, sabir139 calls

River: (9 BB) 8 Club (2 players)
sabir139 checks, Hero checks




river is close. i think is quite villain dependend. flop and turn pretty standard. floprais would be spew imo


Hand #9
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with T Spade A Spade
Hero raises, Nanook of North 3-bets, Hero caps!, Nanook of North calls

Flop: (8 SB) 3 Spade Q Heart 8 Heart (2 players)
Nanook of North bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5 BB) 4 Club (2 players)
Nanook of North bets, Hero folds



you have enough hands there to call the turn. flop is just odds and outs call, just kinda fold the bottom of your range


Hand #10
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 Club 7 Heart
Hero raises, CelticsPsquared 3-bets, Hero caps!, CelticsPsquared calls

Flop: (8 SB) J Diamond 6 Diamond A Heart (2 players)
CelticsPsquared bets, Hero folds



same like the 88 hand


Hand #11
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with K Club Q Spade
Hero raises, Faksen 3-bets, Hero caps!, Faksen calls

Flop: (8 SB) 6 Club J Club 5 Diamond (2 players)
Faksen bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5 BB) 4 Heart (2 players)
Faksen bets, Hero folds



flop odds and outs, turn hits almost all the str8 draws and we are just ahead of the FDs, also this is bottom of our range => fold


Hand #12
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with A Diamond K Club
Hero raises, BOSINELLO 3-bets, Hero caps!, BOSINELLO calls

Flop: (8 SB) A Spade 6 Diamond 6 Heart (2 players)
BOSINELLO bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5 BB) 4 Spade (2 players)
BOSINELLO bets, Hero raises, BOSINELLO 3-bets, Hero caps!, BOSINELLO calls

River: (13 BB) J Diamond (2 players)
BOSINELLO bets, Hero calls




i dont see a lot 6x here but he could 3-bet ffsd or rebluff with 75s or so. also he might play AJ and AQ like that, but turncap is kinda close, think depends on villain. on the river AJ beats us and we dont get value from the busted draws, but would have to call a 3-bet (dont see worse hands 3-bet) => call river


Hand #13
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with A Spade Q Spade
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, sedatedbeing raises all in, Feet_of_Clay caps!, Hero caps!, Feet_of_Clay calls

Flop: (10.375 SB) 7 Heart 7 Club 8 Diamond (3 players - 1 is all in)
Feet_of_Clay bets, Hero calls

Turn: (6.188 BB) Q Diamond (3 players - 1 is all in)
Feet_of_Clay bets, Hero raises, Feet_of_Clay 3-bets, Hero calls

River: (12.188 BB) A Club (3 players - 1 is all in)
Feet_of_Clay checks, Hero bets, Feet_of_Clay calls




pretty clear hand?! flop easy odds and outs call. turn we are ahead against all 8x,99,TT,JJ and draws which might give up the river.
on the river i dont see him c/r here ever. QQ is just 1 kombo (like AA) and he could play KK like that => 6 : 2 kombos easy valuebet


Hand #14
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with K Spade J Spade
Hero raises, misha9121 3-bets, Hero caps!, misha9121 calls

Flop: (8 SB) 9 Heart 8 Heart 5 Club (2 players)
misha9121 bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5 BB) 3 Spade (2 players)
misha9121 bets, Hero folds




think you could call down if you dont expect villain to donk AK or AQ. but its one more time bottom of your range => i would call flop odds and outs and then fold turn too


Hand #15
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with 6 Club 6 Spade
Hero raises, godmanGM 3-bets, Hero caps!, godmanGM calls

Flop: (8 SB) K Spade K Diamond 9 Diamond (2 players)
godmanGM bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5 BB) 4 Club (2 players)
godmanGM bets, Hero calls

River: (7 BB) 3 Club (2 players)
godmanGM bets, Hero calls




close. every hand ont he flop has >9 outs against you. viable imo. would also like fold on the flop. as played easy calldown, dont see anything which pays our raise of which we beat


Hand #16
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with 9 Diamond A Diamond
2 folds, Hero raises, Kobayashi_MARUU 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps!, Kobayashi_MARUU calls

Flop: (9 SB) J Diamond T Diamond J Heart (2 players)
Kobayashi_MARUU bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) 9 Spade (2 players)
Kobayashi_MARUU bets, Hero calls

River: (7.5 BB) 8 Club (2 players)
Kobayashi_MARUU bets, Hero calls




odds and outs on the flop, SD value against AQ and AK on the turn. on the river KK might not valuebet and we beat AK which is 12 kombos => call

Posted almost 2 years ago

Isac

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Joined 01/2008

Some very interesting hands Smile

Hand #1
Without reads I’m calling flop and turn.
As played I think I like a bluff raise more than a fold, though we are giving him very good odds on a call I think the 3Spade and ASpade in combination gotta be very tough for the opponents range obviously unless he donk/3bet the flop with a FD or boat.
Mostly I’m putting him on PP’s when he takes this line and on the river I think it’s fine for him to bluff the PP’s below the 9 in this big pot?

Hand #2
I like this.

Hand #3
I marginally prefer a flop raise here vs. a turn raise (was it your plan or did you plan on waiting for the river?).
As played the river is a must raise to me.

Hand #4
I always hate folding in such big pots/flop textures, but I think it’s good. However, I’m interesting in what we do about the stronger preflop part of our range TT,JJ,QQ ? I normally find myself having a tough time laying these down but our hand strength it basically the same.

Hand #5
Again I’m raising the flop here more often than waiting for the turn but both lines are good. If he 3bet flop you call and raise none diamond turns?

Hand #6
Great.
DD, on a no cap site/network would you get as much in as possible on this flop?

Hand #7
I play it the same

Hand #8
I like the river check, really not enough value in a bet. Like the flop/turn line.

Hand #9
I think mucking the flop is better, but if we give us all T’s and A’s it’s obviously fine to call. I’m just not sure we even does have 4 clean outs and I don’t expect the opponent to ever give us a free card. I don’t think we need to worry about balancing, maybe calling flop, folding turn is even more exploitable ?

Hand #10
I like this fold

Hand #11
I like this

Hand #12
I would play it the same

Hand #13
I would play it the same, capping turn seems a bit too spewy.

Hand #14
Also standard with 2 overcards and a weakish backdoor draw.

Hand #15
I like this calldown

Hand #16
I think the flop is interesting here and could go either way imo but I prefer a call over a raise.

River is gross but if he had like 77, AA,KK,Tx,AK, on the flop he is betting here again I think. And as in hand #1 I think there is some merit for a river raise if we think the opponent is capable of bet/folding, as long as we don’t expect him to 3bet bluff us.
I don’t expect him to have a 7 here so question is if he is taking this line with KQ,AQ,QQ,TT I don’t think he is the majority of the time.
So I like a bluff raise > call > fold
Thoughts?

Posted almost 2 years ago

rkingucla

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Joined 07/2008

Preface my comments with the fact that 3/6 is my usual game so I'm not used to the hyper-aggression in the higher limits.

hand 1- I'd usually call here. Flop texture isn't very good to get the villain to slow down with any pair, and most 3betting non-pair hands either won't fold or flopped a big draw.

hand 2- I'd call the flop. As played I think the turn and river are fine once the pot is a little bloated. If i had called the flop in this particular hand I think I could fold the river... if turn was uglier (another non-K paint) I'd fold there.

hand 3- 4handed I'd probably raise the turn here, especially since 9d looks like it puts a lot of draws out there I could be semibluffing.

hand 4- can't do anything about this hand.

hand 5- I like the fastplay on the flop but I could see arguments to raising the turn. also a benefit of raising the flop is you'll get a lot of calldowns if the board doesn't get too ugly

hand 6- I play the same, flop huge equity and might as well jam because you may be ahead/he may be jamming a flush too

hand 7- I think this is pretty read dependant... can't really go wrong calling down, against the more aggro/spazzy players i would raise the flop and then just make sure 1 bet got in every street

hand 8- I play it the same.. ignoring the turn and river, i would be in calldown mode on the flop unless I improve

hand 9- i'd play it the same but feel really weak about it and not sure if its even right

hand 10- play it the same

hand 11- play it the same

hand 12- i would raise the flop usually against a decent player, cause i'm afraid they will go into call-down mode with a pp on the turn. spazzy/bad players I like waiting til the turn

hand 13- seems pretty standard (except river is a blank and opponent shows KK for me Wink )

hand 14- play it the same and am interested to hear if there are any other options

hand 15- calling down here too, but don't really like my hand, esp when he bets the river. don't see any other good option, unless you have a really strong read and you can raise/fold the turn.

hand 16- unless the player is terrrrrible/spazzy i would fold river probably... there isn't much A9 can beat at this point against a sane opponent.

Posted almost 2 years ago




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