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Mine just arrived. Travelling for business atm so going to get into it in 2 weeks. Looks pretty damn daunting to be honest!

One thing the nutrition guide is strangely silent on is booze. Although I could probably do so, I am totally not inclined to cut beer/wine out entirely from my diet. I am thinking I will lean towards having at least 4 booze free days a week, and then otherwise in moderation (red wine).

Have you guys cut it entirely from your diets?

alcohol is bad for your diet and for your training. if you want to take it very serious i would cut it out, if you want to take it serious i would say maybe once a week and THEN with moderation.

I am not sure what your goal is, but only 4 free booz days sounds like somebody who likes to act like he is taking his training serious by taking up a heavy program, but not really want to work for it

sorry to sound harsh

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out whether I can get away with 552's for now or need the 1090s. I'm 6'1, 185 and about 20% bodyfat atm (damn you beer for being so delicious!). The heaviest I go now is two black bands for some of the curls, which is supposedly 40lbs or so, but I'm not sure how accurate that is and how quickly I will need to up the weight over the next 60 days.

Yea we are the same height and weight, I have yet to go over 50lbs, I just got the 1090s bc I don't want to have to need heavier weights in the future and then have to buy a whole new set of selecttechs...

Also for people who are buying p90x... Buy a real cd wallet for your DVDs or make backup copies like I did.

My disc 11 the back and biceps disc is super scratched and wont play anymore because of normal use and the stupid cardboard wallet it comes in.

I'm glad I decided to make copies of them all before I started using them, I figured if one of the discs got scratched I didn't want to shell out another $120 for another set.

Also if you don't already know you are legally allowed to make as many backup copies of any DVD you own as long as you don't lend them out or distribute them in any way or if you are transferring ownership you must give all of them away originals and copies(to the same person)...

alcohol is bad for your diet and for your training. if you want to take it very serious i would cut it out, if you want to take it serious i would say maybe once a week and THEN with moderation.

I am not sure what your goal is, but only 4 free booz days sounds like somebody who likes to act like he is taking his training serious by taking up a heavy program, but not really want to work for it

sorry to sound harsh

Not harsh but thanks for the input.

I am pretty fit as is and in decent shape, just looking to really press hard on the training side. I don't have too much doubt that I will be able to stick with it in that sense.

I am just trying to determine the extent to which I am going to focus on the diet side of things (and alcohol obv falls into the same category)acknowledging that if it is too over the top, the chances of me sticking with it are going to decrease significantly.

Guys, if you want to check nutrition facts about foods have a look here http://nutritiondata.self.com .

Not harsh but thanks for the input.

I am pretty fit as is and in decent shape, just looking to really press hard on the training side. I don't have too much doubt that I will be able to stick with it in that sense.

I am just trying to determine the extent to which I am going to focus on the diet side of things (and alcohol obv falls into the same category)acknowledging that if it is too over the top, the chances of me sticking with it are going to decrease significantly.

Personal trainer I worked with said Alcohol is okay once or twice a week in moderation. When I asked what was moderate he said 1-2 drinks every 2-3 hours. So basically if you go out for six hours on a Saturday night you might be able to have 3 drinks. I don't know about you, but that would be tough for me to do. Especially when everyone else is boozing it up and buying shots. For me it would be best to just avoid it altogether but everyone is different. My biggest issue is the fast food lifestyle anyway, not booze. Just can't seem to breakaway from eating fast food. any suggestions for breaking the habit?

lol that personal trainer, what was he training, alcoholics?

I said it before and I say it again: Alcohol is bad, 1-2 drinks every 2-3 hours, twice a week, would mean you have around 8 drinks a week, thats just very very bad if you want to take something like sports serious

If not, and you just want to stay a bit healthy and you are happy when you look in the mirror, go for it

Don't forget its not just about 'losing weight', drinking alcohol also effects your work out negative

It also depends what you drink. Compare red wine to a coctail mix...

My biggest issue is the fast food lifestyle anyway, not booze. Just can't seem to breakaway from eating fast food. any suggestions for breaking the habit?

Just go cold turkey. Between eating whole, organic foods and beginning a good exercise program, you will feel pretty amazing, and the idea of fast food will start to repulse you. Now, if it's a convenience thing rather than a craving junk thing, that's a little harder, as it's difficult to find fast, cheap, healthy food when on the go. Even most things at Subway aren't good for you.

lol that personal trainer, what was he training, alcoholics?

I said it before and I say it again: Alcohol is bad, 1-2 drinks every 2-3 hours, twice a week, would mean you have around 8 drinks a week, thats just very very bad if you want to take something like sports serious

If not, and you just want to stay a bit healthy and you are happy when you look in the mirror, go for it

Don't forget its not just about 'losing weight', drinking alcohol also effects your work out negative

It also depends what you drink. Compare red wine to a coctail mix...

I think you have to keep in mind that most people they train are just looking to be healthier and like they way they look. They arent training to compete it any major sports or anything like that. There is obviously a huge difference in training to be healthy/healthier and fit and training to compete in the UFC(just an example could be NFL or whatever). Athletes who train at that level are definetly not drinking at all during their training. Maybe after they acheive a major victory they have a couple but i'm guessing they dont tie one on to often if at all. I'm sure some do but they won't be achieving Michael Jordan status anytime soon. I think for the regular joe drinking a couple of times a week in moderation is okay. Also, a lot of studies show that drinking alcohol in moderation can be healthy. Anyway, thats just my two cents. I'm not the healthiest guy around so take it with a grain of salt.

If you are trying to lose weight, I wouldn't drink alcohol. If it's beer it's just extra carbs you don't need, also your body burns any alcohol in your blood stream for energy first instead of burning fat.

Also I believe it affects muscle growth, recovery times, and increases inflammation as well, so it's just super counter-productive, did the personal trainer also say it was ok to have fast food a few times a week? I would demand my money back... Lol

If you are trying to lose weight, I wouldn't drink alcohol. If it's beer it's just extra carbs you don't need, also your body burns any alcohol in your blood stream for energy first instead of burning fat.

Also I believe it affects muscle growth, recovery times, and increases inflammation as well, so it's just super counter-productive, did the personal trainer also say it was ok to have fast food a few times a week? I would demand my money back... Lol

Hey, his workouts worked so i'm not complaining. I went from 242 down to 205 and 26% body fat to 15%.

I think uber strict diets arent going to work for the vast majority of people. There has to be some give or most people will end up quitting. Trainers realize this and want to see their clients succeed. Suggesting a diet that they themselves might not even be able to follow is a sure way to set their client up for failure. Alot of people I know who are in great shape say they have a 95% complaince rate with their diet. So that is about three meals a week where they eat/drink whatever they want. I think that is much more realistic goal than saying you have to 100% complaint and never drink or never have pizza. That's just not going to last in the long haul. It's all about moderation and portion control.

It's all about moderation and portion control.

I think this is a good point and you beat me to it! I have no doubt that cutting out all alcohol will yield better results in any fitness overhaul program. Personally, I want to make a lifestyle change here such that I'm not just my same fat, out of shape self a year from now. As such, I've struck a compromise where I have a glass or two of red wine a few nights a week. FWIW, I've still noticed very positive results in how I look. I'd probably look even better had I cut booze out altogether, but I feel like when I wrap up the 90 days and go into maintenance mode for a few weeks before starting again, I'll be much less likely to go back to pounding beers with my buddies a few times a week.

I think you have to keep in mind that most people they train are just looking to be healthier and like they way they look. They arent training to compete it any major sports or anything like that. There is obviously a huge difference in training to be healthy/healthier and fit and training to compete in the UFC(just an example could be NFL or whatever). Athletes who train at that level are definetly not drinking at all during their training. Maybe after they acheive a major victory they have a couple but i'm guessing they dont tie one on to often if at all. I'm sure some do but they won't be achieving Michael Jordan status anytime soon. I think for the regular joe drinking a couple of times a week in moderation is okay. Also, a lot of studies show that drinking alcohol in moderation can be healthy. Anyway, thats just my two cents. I'm not the healthiest guy around so take it with a grain of salt.

I'd be inclined to go along with this. I actually knew some very fit people through playing rugby at school (a couple of whom played for the national youth sides) who would drink A LOT at weekends after matches but then had no problem living/eating healthy the other 6 days of the week. But different people can get away with drinking more or less, and obviously it depends on the scale of the goals you are setting yourself.

It's more an attitude thing I guess- if you're figuring out all the indulgences that you can get away with maintaining just as you're trying to get into training hard, that's probably not a mindset that will get you the results you are after.

eat lots of fat instead.

Yea this is about the only way to do it. Just had a 4 egg omelette with cheese, chorizo sausage, and avocado. Chalk up the 80% fat breakfast haha.

Question which I meant to ask earlier.

Everyone here seems very interested in how to cut down on body fat,shed pounds or whatever, but I'm looking to beef up instead, being quite light relative to my height- I'm as concerned with adding mass as getting 'ripped'. Is the P90X workout compatible with that sort of goal? My thoughts are that I could combine the working out with a high calorie (but healthy) diet- lots of proteins and appropriate carbs.