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Villian is _acehole888_ 21/17/3.0 over infinity (we have a decent amount of history and he gets trashed on 2+2 for being one of the worst regs - if that matters, and I think he will call be with a very wide range here pre- almost Any 2)

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Full Tilt Poker $2.00/$4.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $74.80
MP: $398.00
CO: $433.05
BTN: $512.00
Hero (SB): $997.00
BB: $942.30

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with Q Q
3 folds, BTN raises to $14, Hero raises to $48, 1 fold, BTN calls $34

Flop: ($100.00) 7 J T (2 players)
Hero bets $68, BTN calls $68

Turn: ($236.00) A (2 players)

Well, if he is really playing that loose i think that you would have to bet the turn as well. this is a scary card and you need to take the initiative rather than let him take control of this hand.

If he is really playing this loose, he may be floating you with a wide range of hands. With that in mind I don't really think that checking is an option here. Although a lot of hands just crushed your hand (KQ, 89, 2 pairs etc.)

As for the size of the turn bet, I think with an aggressive regular like this, he will often make moves on this sort of turn, So I think about 175 is okay, (AK is only a small part of ur range right). I think that betting the turn (so that he knows that he may be facing a large river bet) but then not putting much money on the river is a decent way to approach the turn/river..

maybe 1/2 pot for most rivers would prevent him from making any ridiculous moves.

Villian is _acehole888_ 21/17/3.0 over infinity (we have a decent amount of history and he gets trashed on 2+2 for being one of the worst regs - if that matters, and I think he will call be with a very wide range here pre- almost Any 2)

This will be in parts: gogogogo

Full Tilt Poker $2.00/$4.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG: $74.80
MP: $398.00
CO: $433.05
BTN: $512.00
Hero (SB): $997.00
BB: $942.30

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with Q Q
3 folds, BTN raises to $14, Hero raises to $48, 1 fold, BTN calls $34

Flop: ($100.00) 7 J T (2 players)
Hero bets $68, BTN calls $68

Turn: ($236.00) A (2 players)

Bet more on the flop.

I check the turn here unless he's bad enough to stack off with worse than a jack. What kind of history do you have?

turn seems like a c/r, i imagine he'll probably use that card to bluff with most of his floats, but he'll probably not stack off worse if you bet.

Actually, I can see a good argument for betting here too - would like to know more about him.

Def agree w/KRANTZ that you gotta bet more on this flop. It's pretty coordinated, hands like KQ and AKs with backdoor draws are going to peel more often when you bet less. By betting more you discourage bluff-raises and floating, and you also make the pot bigger so it's easier for you to get the money in on later streets when you do improve or want to stack off.

I haven't played a ton with acehole888, but FTP 2/4 is one of my regular games. I will say this much, even if he has Ace-rag suited like A8/A9, he's not the type to ever laydown when he hits his Ace, especially if he's tilting he probably stacks with any J or A here. I would definitely put AK/AQ/AJ/A-rag in his range here as well as any number of draws like 88/99/KQ/KJ/QJ/J8/J9.

You said there is a lot of history, I think that's important to know. What do we think his view of us is given the history?

By default, I like a check here for reasons already stated by Sensei/KRANTZ. I'm not sure about a C/R, I would lean towards a C/F more but that of course depends on the history and table dynamic. I wouldn't put much credence in the "Acehole888" is horrible stuff just because people say he's a horrible reg on the 2+2 FTP Regulars thread.

As soon as I c-bet I knew it was too small, so this is not standard here for me.

As far as our history, we have battled when I do play FTP (as he logs a ton of hands at 200 and 400nl), and he views me as a capable regular and I have seen him more apt to try to get tricky because he knows I am a 'thinking player' so I guess he thinks I can make laydowns. I know this though and have and will adapt.

With that said given this history, if I check this turn I feel he and most of this type of opponent bets here (if checked to) almost always.

I feel like the only thing to do here is lead, but what size? If I bet 175 and he shoves its only ~212 more to me, now what? I think if I barrel smaller here as a "I'm bet/folding" he almost always shoves ATC.

In a vacuum, this hand isn't as interesting as it is to me, I think because I am not conveying villian/history properly.

If we check/raise we are obviously calling a shove, I assume?

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If we check/raise we are obviously calling a shove, I assume?

Yeah, always calling a shove if we C/R that turn given the stacks.

Based on what you said, I think I am liking what DJ Sensei said. If he's going to bet his entire range when the A comes, then you should show a profit, because a ton of the time he has a pair+draw and he can't fold when he bets the turn and you CRAI.

i've played a decent amount w/ villain. he would prob c/r AJ on the flop. his range on the flop is pretty wide as well and even tho he might raise w/ pair+gutter on the flop looking to get it in he might not too cause of stack sizes.(pretty sure he isn't even thinking about some of this stuff and almost just does stuff randomly sometimes)

i think chk'ing and betting are both fine vs him but if i bet it would be a smaller amount i thought would induce a push. if i chk'd it would be to c/r ai cause he is def capable of betting KJ or even a hand like 88 or 99 on the turn because he plays really bad.

and def bet more on the flop. usually u don't need to bet so much in 3bet pots but the more draw heavy they are and the more your opponent likes to call the more u should bet.

mmmm.... I think against a good player you can shove here for value. Plus you still have some shitty rivers that will come.

Dave, if you bet here, you can't ever bet/fold without being exploited. Bet/call and then figure out the optimal strategy against him in the future.

Completely disagree that people will auto-bet here if you check to them- if they have showdown value, they're not usually betting, and it's completely conceivable you would check an ace.

I think I tend to check/fold, and value bet river if he checks back... but betting and calling it off is close behind.

Against this player, I'd go for a C/R. His 3bet calling range is huge, and he floats a ton. He checks behind the turn with most hands with showdown value (even Ax sometimes), but he will bet his entire air range when checked to. If he checks the turn through, I'd probably c/f most non-Q rivers.

edit: I wouldn't fold on a K river, either.