Great video, but I felt bad for pork chop you both were pretty hard on him. Either way the poker based content was exceptional keep up the good work.
Time to put theory to practice. DOGISHEAD and Gman discuss various plays and the theories behind them as they review DOGISHEAD's video of 50NL heads up versus a DC member.
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Great video, but I felt bad for pork chop you both were pretty hard on him. Either way the poker based content was exceptional keep up the good work.
Great video, but I felt bad for pork chop you both were pretty hard on him. Either way the poker based content was exceptional keep up the good work.
Ya I officially feel bad too. Porkchop, you really didn't play that badly at all. If I knew you were a DC member I would have been nicer, but I guess I should be nicer to everyone anyway ![]()
Very nice video.
Like an instructional video for holdem manager, repeating the same stuff for to long.
This stuff is great... loads of good discussion and thoughts and also comparing higher stakes and different types of players.
about 17mins in on the left with A7 on J273T, cant we shove the river? Obviously as a bluff
this is such a great combo
time to start the petition to just expand this to 2seasons
Im Porkchop, and TBH first of all I suck HU. That is for sure.
As far as tableratings, it is far from correct. Since then I have fallen to maybe 5.5bb/100 at 100nl, but they are far from getting every hand. At the same time in the last month or so (since their "news release" that they improved coverage) they have gotten nearly all hands. But prior to a month ago they were awful. I once had a 32bi upswing in 15k hands and they had me as a loser that week by their stats.
I definitely defend 3b's too light as I saw in this video. At the same time I think I was thinking on a higher level than I was given credit for in a lot of spots. Still doesn't mean I was right... cause I got my tail kicked in that match.
I am not good at all at placing people on ranges HU and that showed in this video.
I did play him as a change of pace that night. I was about to sit out when he sat down, but a poker buddy and I were laughing over AIM when he sat, and I figured what the heck it's 50nl. I usually wont even play a regular HU.
Video is great by the way, though I think a little bit on the laggy side post flop, for teaching people HU. At the same time I am a multi table bot at 6max, so I really don't even know what laggy is HU.
Thanks for the honesty phooey the fact that HU isnt your reg game puts things in a clearer perspective
100k hands is a month for me, there's plenty missing.
Ya I officially feel bad too. Porkchop, you really didn't play that badly at all. If I knew you were a DC member I would have been nicer, but I guess I should be nicer to everyone anyway
No worries, and accepted. Most often when I watch a video at any limit under 200nl the people who make the video are too far out of touch with the SSNL or even worse the micro limit levels. That hasn't been as much of an issue with most DC videos. Typically there are enough regulars at 200nl games that your level of thinking becomes a bigger utility for beating the game, which is what most high stakes players making videos are used too. I must say that DOGISHEADS reads were generally a bit more accurate overall.
I really would like to see a video of you guys playing small ball HU for people that don't play HU as a std game.
I think I out leveled myself by not having HU experience. I made some big folds (A9 bluff shove deep for instance) that maybe I shouldn't have.
I would say my biggest issue was that there were several spots where I tried to find ways to tone down his aggression level, but most that I tried worked against me in the end. I defiantly let him keep his aggressive lines a few times to see if I could work that against him but he never got out of line and raised my river leads.
great video, its good to see 2 guys who can explain stuff play the AVERAGE poker player.. porkchop imo does represent the average regular who watches CR/DC/leggo.. knows the basic, doesnt know why hes doing stuff etc etc.. it's good to put some thoughts on these oponement because usualy all the instrcutor focus on calling them 'ok' players instead of staking that they are completely retarded and adjusting to that accordingly..
this is how every video should be made.
Excellent, thank-you both.
I found that the passages I got most of where the ones where Gman was both supplementing and asking further questions of InternetPokers. What really helps is the depth of analysis that this creates.
On the OOP AQ hand where you guys were complaining about it being such a sick spot and that AK is a big part of his range, and you might even fold, I just seemed to disagree completely with this. It wasn't like this was his first 4bet and I dunno. To me I thought 'man if i was playing right now I'm fistpump getting it in if he bets turn'. That and once he checks back I was thinking I'd shovel the river. I know you guys explained your thinking but I was wondering if you could expand a lil more on this hand and possibly tell me if/how my thinking here is flawed.
Also - Sick vid for sure. Not boring by any means but 90min straight of any one poker video gets a lil brutal in the length department imo.
Hey guys, thanks again for all of the positive comments. Hopefully the attention paid to this series doesn't drop off, and once we start moving higher in stakes and the analysis starts to grow in depth (and hopefully in originality as well) that we'll continue to see positive feedback. ![]()
On the OOP AQ hand where you guys were complaining about it being such a sick spot and that AK is a big part of his range, and you might even fold, I just seemed to disagree completely with this. It wasn't like this was his first 4bet and I dunno. To me I thought 'man if i was playing right now I'm fistpump getting it in if he bets turn'. That and once he checks back I was thinking I'd shovel the river. I know you guys explained your thinking but I was wondering if you could expand a lil more on this hand and possibly tell me if/how my thinking here is flawed.
Also - Sick vid for sure. Not boring by any means but 90min straight of any one poker video gets a lil brutal in the length department imo.
It's been a while since I actually recorded the video, so I might be a bit redundant in this but allow me to put my thinking about this hand into words:
First off, game flow wise it doesn't seem like I'd naturally expect Porkchop to be bluffing with an excessive frequency here - the fact that he 4-bet and called it off with 88 seems to indicate not that he's crazy loose with 4-bets - it more indicates that he thinks I'm shoving very wide, which should mean that he would be bluffing infrequently - that is, if he thinks I'm shoving often enough to make 4-bet/calling 88 profitable, then he's probably not going to outright bluff that often. Second, his 4-bet his HUGE. Really big. Strangely large. Without any differentiating information, it seems to indicate that he's more likely to be making it for value, but I don't really know so I go ahead and call. Thirdly, you must realize that by the turn, I have a bluffcatcher. Board is AT85, I have AQ. For me to call a turn shove I have to assume he's bluffing. Why is that? Think about how he's playing his ENTIRE 4-bet value range - AK is shoving, AQ is shoving (split pot), AJ is not 4-betting pre, KK-JJ is checking, TT is shoving. So the range that he's shoving if he wasn't bluffing preflop is AK, AQ, TT. Against that range I only beat bluffs. You're right that on the absolute scale, our hand value is quite high given the size of the pot, but on a relative scale our hand value beats none of his value shoving range.
Now, that's not to say we were planning to fold to a turn shove - you would be right in fact in wanting to get this all in because his bluffing frequency doesn't have to be too high for our flush draw and top pair to be good enough, not to mention that he may well be 4-betting a lot of Ax's. So, given that, we weren't planning to fold the turn. Us saying that it was a sick turn spot is more indicative of the fact that we're beat very often when he shoves - not necessarily that we should fold. And I think this analysis verifies that.
As far as the video length comment, we were a little surprised by how long we went, as this was really our first attempt at making a video together, so future videos we were able to tidy up the length much easier. ![]()
about 17mins in on the left with A7 on J273T, cant we shove the river? Obviously as a bluff
Haha, remember what I said in episode 1? Don't try to make people fold good hands. Ever.
HKPhooey, I apologize for our harsh treatment of you in the video. I was trying to be fair but I may have gotten a little bit out of line, so I apologize. Hopefully if you do end up choosing to give heads up a try, you can benefit from some of the comments and suggestions we made. Good luck in your future endeavors man, thanks for doing this video with me.
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