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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (Mid Stakes)

I play the hand the same way except when he bets 50$ into 100$ on river I Jam!! Would That be terribad?? On the river you have under represented you hand, he can be value betting lots of worse hands....How bad can a raise be here. What do you make of him bet sizing?? I am surprised he did not make it more like a Pot sized bet, and in the heat of battle I would have said that a 1/2 pot bet was more likely to be thin value and put him on A9,Q9...Yup I def would have jammed the river.

It definitely depends on how good/bad your opponent is. It should be a trivial bet/fold with worse 2pairs (for your opponent) on that turn/river I think... so if your opponents cannot make this fold then sure, go ahead and ship it in..but I would expect any decent player to be able to get away from most worse hands when you chk/jam the river.

WoT

What if instead of J8 you have QJ in the last 6 handed hand, do you still fold?

It would depend on our read if he is capable of slowplaying a worse 2pair on flop/turn as well as if we think he's always just c/c'ing 9T or if he's sometimes c/r'ing it.

If he's fastplaying worse 2pairs most of the time and c/c'ing 9T all of the time, then QJ and J8 are basically the same hand.

I would complain less about clicking call with QJ though.

30% of my evolution so far is probably because of the Real life series so I am not talking bad about anyone.

Just that I am about to make the same move and my psychic would have liked for him to succeed Anyway, thx a lot for this video series.

So I want to say something and I hope noone takes this personal. I don`t want to harm anyone, but I now few people are thinking like that and are afraid to post it here.
I think it`s very tough to make the decision to become a fulltimepro and it`s even more difficult if everyone can watch you trying it. I really have respect for that.
But two things I want to say:

1. In other places on the net (not here obviously) you see several people talk something like "This donk has stolen a great opportunity from people who would have deserved it". Well that is a little bit hard maybe, but it`s not that far off. Nobody deserves anything of course, but you receive privatecoaching from one of the best mid-high-stakes coaches there are, you are a fulltimepro and have nothing to do than to work work work on your game. But your results are break-even at best after 500K hands (based on pkt and other sites) and not only that; you are tilting away your money every second day. I never saw graphs like this before. Pokerskill is not only the technical thing, I don`t wanna judge that here, although I don`t think you can beat 1/2N 6max, but it`s also the psychology as you know. By that I don`t mean he thinks I think he thinks I suck, but just the ability to play a goddamn abc-game, without playing 10 tables, without tilting everything away, without thinking you can 3times overlevel a regular every hand. So as it seems (I personally don`t know you and Im sorry to say) you suck at this part. Being a Pokerpro is maybe not the right way for you to go. At the end of the series it would be fair to say: "I fail, I didn`t do it, I give up here." But you say things like, 3 months work only for taxes, time, bla, I will get confident in HU..... no you won`t.

That brings me to the second thing I want to say:

2. When I had to manage the kids-group in our chessclub one time, I tried to explain something like that: "See, in the sicilian defence when you play as white you have to goddamn attack. Take the center, sacrifice a knight on e6, rush forward, because in the endgame you have a significant disadvantage because you are missing a central pawn." A week later they all could tell me what I tought them, rush, take the center, attack.... so what was the next move they made? 2. h3?!
What I want to say by this: What is the point in talking about reraise-bluff a River against a reg, because you are on level 4 and he is on level 3 and his range is capped and he assumes you are not capable of bluffing and your history says bla bla bla bla bla......blabla?
I like it. I like to hear that and learn from it if someone like Wilt talks about that. But in this series, where it is all about getting someone to make a little bit of money on 1/2NL or even lower, it`s absolutely not at the right place. How does this change the winrate of WhiteHeatSYD? 0.03% maybe? All the time WHS says something pseudo-intelligent like "I could make it 8 instead of 7 here, because Im representing a much stronger range, blablubbblablubb", but he doesn`t understand what he says, he just repeats and that is so obvious in a lot of the episodes.
In the second week with the chessgroup I wanted to explain why you cannot play Nb3 after Qxb2 in the Najdorf-sicilian, because of a lack in developement, but instead I started with something like "the bishop moves diagonal" and Im sure that was the better way to go.
I did like some hands, but they had nothing to do with this series.

So, although I know a lot of people (also on this site) think like that, this is only my personal and honest opinion and I hope you guys forgive me for telling you all that.

So I want to say something and I hope noone takes this personal. I don`t want to harm anyone, but I now few people are thinking like that and are afraid to post it here.
I think it`s very tough to make the decision to become a fulltimepro and it`s even more difficult if everyone can watch you trying it. I really have respect for that.
But two things I want to say:

1. In other places on the net (not here obviously) you see several people talk something like "This donk has stolen a great opportunity from people who would have deserved it". Well that is a little bit hard maybe, but it`s not that far off. Nobody deserves anything of course, but you receive privatecoaching from one of the best mid-high-stakes coaches there are, you are a fulltimepro and have nothing to do than to work work work on your game. But your results are break-even at best after 500K hands (based on pkt and other sites) and not only that; you are tilting away your money every second day. I never saw graphs like this before. Pokerskill is not only the technical thing, I don`t wanna judge that here, although I don`t think you can beat 1/2N 6max, but it`s also the psychology as you know. By that I don`t mean he thinks I think he thinks I suck, but just the ability to play a goddamn abc-game, without playing 10 tables, without tilting everything away, without thinking you can 3times overlevel a regular every hand. So as it seems (I personally don`t know you and Im sorry to say) you suck at this part. Being a Pokerpro is maybe not the right way for you to go. At the end of the series it would be fair to say: "I fail, I didn`t do it, I give up here." But you say things like, 3 months work only for taxes, time, bla, I will get confident in HU..... no you won`t.

That brings me to the second thing I want to say:

2. When I had to manage the kids-group in our chessclub one time, I tried to explain something like that: "See, in the sicilian defence when you play as white you have to goddamn attack. Take the center, sacrifice a knight on e6, rush forward, because in the endgame you have a significant disadvantage because you are missing a central pawn." A week later they all could tell me what I tought them, rush, take the center, attack.... so what was the next move they made? 2. h3?!
What I want to say by this: What is the point in talking about reraise-bluff a River against a reg, because you are on level 4 and he is on level 3 and his range is capped and he assumes you are not capable of bluffing and your history says bla bla bla bla bla......blabla?
I like it. I like to hear that and learn from it if someone like Wilt talks about that. But in this series, where it is all about getting someone to make a little bit of money on 1/2NL or even lower, it`s absolutely not at the right place. How does this change the winrate of WhiteHeatSYD? 0.03% maybe? All the time WHS says something pseudo-intelligent like "I could make it 8 instead of 7 here, because Im representing a much stronger range, blablubbblablubb", but he doesn`t understand what he says, he just repeats and that is so obvious in a lot of the episodes.
In the second week with the chessgroup I wanted to explain why you cannot play Nb3 after Qxb2 in the Najdorf-sicilian, because of a lack in developement, but instead I started with something like "the bishop moves diagonal" and Im sure that was the better way to go.
I did like some hands, but they had nothing to do with this series.

So, although I know a lot of people (also on this site) think like that, this is only my personal and honest opinion and I hope you guys forgive me for telling you all that.

I think that this is a very fair post and an honest view on it. I don't actually have to defend myself here, but think that it is fair that I give my point of view on the whole experience.

Did I take an opportunity away from someone else?
Maybe I did, but you need to consider that my application was stronger than everyone elses, I had a dream of playing poker full time, and was able to present my case stronger than anyone else. I don't think many people would of put the time and effort into it as I did.

Have I failed?
I am a very competitive person, and want to suceed so much. Maybe in this case I wanted it to much. You would not believe how much time and effort I have put into the mental side of the game. I have spent a lot of time thinking and trying to rationalise why it went wrong and I tilt so much. I have done a lot of soul searching recently in to this, and having an opportunity and not suceeding has been a lot to take. By having a world class coach doesn't instantly make you tiger woods. I honestly am pretty low on life at the moment, due to not progressing as I should, going back to work, and the constant bullshit that I get from the 2+2 crowd and comments that people are willing to make. It is very easy to hide behind the internet, not many are able to be honest with their failings. Poker is a brutal game, and I was willing to put myself out in public and expose everyting. This is what thing that I completely under estimated. I hate playing on ftp for this reason. I never stressed or felt pressure of poker before the first series. Aaron put some much time and faith into me, and I am gutted that I haven't been able to make the leap to professional at the moment in time. It would be foolish for me not to take a contract role till the end of the financial year. Near zero tax, and variance free money.....

But you say things like, 3 months work only for taxes, time, bla, I will get confident in HU..... no you won`t.

If you read my blog I said that I didn't expect to play full time again, I am in a position I can work for 3 months, and then take some more time to decide what to do. I may not of explained this very well in the video.

http://whiteheatsyd.blogspot.com/2010/02/going-back-to-work.html

J.D. I wanted to suceed so much, and am gutted I haven't.

I actually hope to fade into to the background now. Get a job, not play any poker for a month and then just play poker for fun for a few months, no results updates, no blog updates, no ftp. Then decided if I want to carry on.

Adios amigos - GL to everyone on DC, and thank you for your support.

PS - I don't want this thread to turn into an arguement with J.D. he has made some valid points, maybe delivered in the wrong way. Also if you feel that strongly about it, don't watch the series.

JD I think you are being results-oriented about your views on the series. The goal was to take your average poker player, and have one of the best coaches mentor him and see how far he can go. Just because he isn't where you pictured him to be doesn't mean the series was a failure.

If anything the series is better the way it turned out, I have mad respect for Whiteheat and Wiltontilt for doing the series, it exposes the harsh realities of what it means to try to play for a living, and if anything I learn more from Whiteheat's mistakes than I would if he were playing every hand correctly and not tilting, it would make for a pretty boring series.

Do you really think if another 25nl or microstakes DC member was chosen for season 1 the series would have ended differently? I would say that the vast majority of people are going to struggle greatly. Just because we have all taken the greatest leap of all by signing up for DC does not guarantee success. It still doesn't change the fact that 99% of people are losing players. They did not waste a whole series on someone who "didn't deserve it".

JD I think you are being results-oriented about your views on the series. The goal was to take your average poker player, and have one of the best coaches mentor him and see how far he can go. Just because he isn't where you pictured him to be doesn't mean the series was a failure.

Maybe Im a little bit results-oriented here, but the result is that there is not one single stake where WHS has made money, not even 50NL and that was over a pretty big samplesize.

If anything the series is better the way it turned out, I have mad respect for Whiteheat and Wiltontilt for doing the series, it exposes the harsh realities of what it means to try to play for a living, and if anything I learn more from Whiteheat's mistakes than I would if he were playing every hand correctly and not tilting, it would make for a pretty boring series.

So do I !! I have a lot of respect for him and Wilt, of course I do. But as I said, WHS didn`t made the big mistakes in the hands that were discussed where it was all about strange Riverbluffs or about tricky Flop-lead-lines. And by discussing them all the time, WHS denied that his leaks were much more fundamental; and that didn`t fit the charakter the series was meant to be I think. (is that a sentence at all?)

Do you really think if another 25nl or microstakes DC member was chosen for season 1 the series would have ended differently?

Yes I do. Even today in the brutal, hard, difficult.... times we are in, it is still no big deal to be a winning player on 50NL. That is without a great coach, without any coach at all, just by reading 3 books, play and post some hands in a forum. Am I really that wrong here?



I believe the real problem with the "stolen chance" and the very nasty comments from few people and the hate WHS has to take is very simple that TILT is seen not as a leak, but as pure stupidity.
We are all playing our C-game sometimes, but if you are tilting stacks away, then this is not because you didn`t work enough, but because you are just stupid and dumb. (At least this is what by far most people think, I guess)
That said: Everybody dreams of such an opportunity, such an unbelievable chance. If people now see someone got the chance and burn it by pure stupidity (tilt), then of course they are jealous and of course they start to hate the one who burn that chance.

So, I don`t. I just said the series was sub par. Anyway, in some way I learned something, I have great respect for both of them, I never wanted to harm anyone and it was very difficult to write that without using an alias.

J.D.

Think what you like a stolen chance, and what you will of tableratings being super accurate. I am not saying that I was ever a big winning on ftp. But what Aaron did manage to do was take a player who had $1k in poker, to someone that had just under $20k at my peak and was thinking about taking shots at 400nl. Anyway it is all irrelevant now, as I need a break after devoting so much time to poker.

I don't really want this discussion continued. Lets leave it at that.

J.D.

Think what you like a stolen chance, and what you will of tableratings being super accurate. I am not saying that I was ever a big winning on ftp. But what Aaron did manage to do was take a player who had $1k in poker, to someone that had just under $20k at my peak and was thinking about taking shots at 400nl. Anyway it is all irrelevant now, as I need a break after devoting so much time to poker.

I don't really want this discussion continued. Lets leave it at that.

That is success if I've ever seen it. Some people don't even make $20k/year here in the US.

Im talking myself into the grave here, but:

1. I did not say you stole a chance from me! I didn`t even asked for such a chance, you are cool, you did it. I just said I can understand people are thinking that way.

2. As you said, you do not have to defend yourself. You said you understand my point etc., but now you feel affected. Pokertableratings is not super accurate, but pokertablerating telling you made zero dollar in 500K hands is more accurate then so say you were somewhere under 20K BR, while probably 10K was Rakeback and bonus. Although this is not important for the videoseries and what I was trying to say.

Im talking myself into the grave here, but:

1. I did not say you stole a chance from me! I didn`t even asked for such a chance, you are cool, you did it. I just said I can understand people are thinking that way.

2. As you said, you do not have to defend yourself. You said you understand my point etc., but now you feel affected. Pokertableratings is not super accurate, but pokertablerating telling you made zero dollar in 500K hands is more accurate then so say you were somewhere under 20K BR, while probably 10K was Rakeback and bonus. Although this is not important for the videoseries and what I was trying to say.

You have had the last word now even after me continuely asking this discussion to end, I hope you ego is now sufficiently stoked, I feel pretty shit and down after the whole experience but it is always good for someone like you J.D. to put in the last blow. Thank you for that.

You have had the last word now even after me continuely asking this discussion to end, I hope you ego is now sufficiently stoked, I feel pretty shit and down after the whole experience but it is always good for someone like you J.D. to put in the last blow. Thank you for that.

let JD talk. He is just a kid that is mad he didnt get the role for playing WiltonTilts student. If he was that good himself he could probably afford WiltonTilt as a personal coach.

Don't forget you ran terrible at the first season of Micro no limit grinder. You have made the award for best student in a video, your questions have always been awesome and that helped the serie to become as good at it was. I am sure that a lot of people couldnt do this and you could. I am also sure a lot of people agree with me on this.

I don't know about your tilt and anything, but its very unfair for JD to say its just dumb and stupid that you ruined your change. Imo its not like that.

Like you worked extremely hard on your strategy, i am sure you also worked really hard to destroy the tilt. It didnt work out, thats all there is too it.

I am sure that after you took the break you will come back at poker, start out playing for fun with the knowledge you have and build your roll again.

And please stop caring if people tell you you are this or that. Most people who do this have some very big issues themselves and dont want to look in the mirror, thats why they talk to others in a bad way while saying they dont mean it in a bad way.

What i know from you, which isnt much, is that you are a guy that looks in the mirror and see what can be improved. Please look at your break as a recovery from a very bad period in your poker life. It would be a shame if you gave up entirely with all the hard work you have put into it.

You could even play 25nl or 50nl with a massively overrolled bankroll. Nobody commands you to play 200nl or even 100nl!

You have had the last word now even after me continuely asking this discussion to end, I hope you ego is now sufficiently stoked, I feel pretty shit and down after the whole experience but it is always good for someone like you J.D. to put in the last blow. Thank you for that.

This is not about my ego, but about yours. You are denying the reality like you do in the episodes. Why are you telling people you had 20K at some time if not for your ego? It must be possible to say my opinion. I never wanted you to feel bad and newsflash: it is not my fault.

let JD talk. He is just a kid that is mad he didnt get the role for playing WiltonTilts student. If he was that good himself he could probably afford WiltonTilt as a personal coach.

Don't forget you ran terrible at the first season of Micro no limit grinder. You have made the award for best student in a video, your questions have always been awesome and that helped the serie to become as good at it was. I am sure that a lot of people couldnt do this and you could.

I don't know about your tilt and anything, but its very unfair for JD to say its just dumb and stupid that you ruined your change. Imo its not like that.

Like you worked extremely hard on your strategy, i am sure you also worked really hard to destroy the tilt. It didnt work out, thats all there is too it.

I am sure that after you took the break you will come back at poker, start out playing for fun with the knowledge you have and build your roll again.

And please stop caring if people tell you you are this or that. Most people who do this have some very big issues themselves and dont want to look in the mirror, thats why they talk to others in a bad way while saying they dont mean it in a bad way.

What i know from you, which isnt much, is that you are a guy that looks in the mirror and see what can be improved.

So, let me say this as clear as possible: If you want to join a discussion, then read the fuck what was said so far and don`t try to come with some random shit.
Im not a kid
I can afford a coach
I did not say WHS is dumb and stupid I said: a lot of people see monkeytilt as dumb and stupid.
This was never meant to be personal, so try to behave like you were older than 12 years.

This is not about my ego, but about yours. You are denying the reality like you do in the episodes. Why are you telling people you had 20K at some time if not for your ego? It must be possible to say my opinion. I never wanted you to feel bad and newsflash: it is not my fault.

i'm pretty sure he's not lying about his bankroll if that's what you are implying...