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Hand #5
Poker Stars $30/$60 Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 548578
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with J J
2 folds, patfitz111 raises, 1 fold, crazyjanie calls, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, patfitz111 calls, crazyjanie calls

Flop: (9.5 SB) K 2 4 (3 players)
Hero bets, patfitz111 calls, crazyjanie folds

Turn: (5.75 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, patfitz111 checks

River: (5.75 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets, patfitz111 raises, Hero folds

Not really sure on this villain, he was playing the full ring tables, was definitely tight, possibly silly postflop, jury still out in my mind.

If you check the turn, check/call the river, that would be my line. No value in a river bet after a turn check, just let him hang himself. But I bet this turn and call down/fold at times also, depends on opp. Given read, I check twice and call river.

I think i like c/c better too, given that he didnt bet the turn he shouldnt have a king or a queen that often unless he`s "slowplaying", and i`d try to induce on this river since it is a good bluffcard.

possibly silly postflop, jury still out in my mind.

Hmmm u never have clubs on the river. I doubt u XR this turn much for value given the drawy nature of the board. I say this is a good bluff raise spot on the river vs u !

I too like XC though. Ur range is way too strong for him to pay off AJ on the river. U 3-bet an early raiser from BB which to me looks reall strong. He may call a smaller PP, but then again hemay bet them himself. Since u read him as potentially silly I prefer the safe route, because as I said above u will fold ur entire betting range on the river, so basically u are trying to exploit that he is too straighforward. But that wasn't ur read.

Hmmm u never have clubs on the river.

+1

You can never have Ax of clubs here? I cc it some amont of the time, and if i have AQcc i`ll checkraise all day. Also, i checkraise a decent amount here for value, its because the board is drawy that its a good spot for it.

i think your (value) bet is soooo bad tbh....if you check turn you have to check/call river

Shrug, I think my value bet is great, will have to agree to disagree.

Results: I called this, I thought his line made little sense for a flush with the typical aggressiveness at 30/60+, I was wrong he had 8 7

I bet turn.

River bet is super standard.

A flush does make sense if he's a thinking player.

He raised in EP and you 3 bet. You have a pretty strong range and semibluffing doesn't make much sense when he doesn't have much FE and his draw isn't super strong. Betting the turn is dumb in his spot because once you check a good barrel card like that one, you're rarely/never folding.

I think I fold river. There just isn't that much that he can turn into a bluff here.

LOL tbh I don't think I have ever XC this river, so don't know why I started to shout about it . I guess I was too fascinated by the fact that he will likely bet all pairs for us, it's unclear if he will pay off with an A and by checking we prevent a raise.

It's obv that under extreme assumptions XC is better. However...It's unlikely we ge raised in the first place and I guess AJ pays off some of the time .

He raised in EP and you 3 bet. You have a pretty strong range and semibluffing doesn't make much sense when he doesn't have much FE and his draw isn't super strong. Betting the turn is dumb in his spot because once you check a good barrel card like that one, you're rarely/never folding.

I gree DD is never folding the turn. But isn't worth it to bet twice though? I think DD XC, XF a fairly wide range?

I gree DD is never folding the turn. But isn't worth it to bet twice though? I think DD XC, XF a fairly wide range?

maybe DD will, but most won't

Good points Nina, you are def right about the river fold here. For some reason I forgot I was the BB this hand, which makes my range a lot more narrow.

River bet is absolutely mandatory in this spot. I would pay this one off, but I wouldn't feel good about it at all. Obv villain owned you pretty hard if he really has a flush here, but that doesn't mean that his turn check is actually the optimal line for him to take.