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Tommy Angelo : The Second Worst Play Ever

published over 3 years ago

In 2003, I intentionally folded pocket aces before the flop in a live, $20/40 limit hold’em game. It was, according to my meticulous calculations, the worst play ever. But that wasn’t the only reason I did it. I wrote an article at the time in which all is revealed:

http://tommyangelo.com/articles/the_worst_play_ever.htm

Today I am here to claim credit for also having made the second worst play ever. But this time, I had help – or more accurately, I helped. Most of the credit must go to my partner in perversion, Eric.

THE DATE: August 20, 2009

THE PLACE: The Venetian Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, room 22017

THE PLAYERS: Me, Eric, and an unwitting cohort who shall remain forever oblivious of the gift bestowed upon him by our lunacy.

Eric is a young professional poker player who hired me as his coach. During the first day of a three-day coaching program, Eric told me that my article “The Worst Play Ever” had inspired him to fold pocket aces before the flop too. We briefly discussed the long-range effects that making this outrageous play had on us. Turns out, there aren’t any. But we did note that it gave us a quirky little bond, like two people who bump into each other and spill each other’s coffee.

At the end of the third day, after the official coaching was officially over, we decided to play some low stakes online poker and split our action, just for fun. Minutes later we were playing two tables of 6-max $1/2 no-limit hold’em, with Eric driving. Because my iPhone was still recording the coaching session, these events were etched in silicon.

Eric and I were having a grand time, casting aspersions and making proclamations exactly as I had coached him not to. I did some bold mock-yelling at my faceless opponents after I convinced Eric to call a river bet with ace-high. “You’re all a bunch of ding donks and I hate you all!” Eric did some mock-mocking of me after I talked him into bluff-check-raising the river against a player who happened to have the nuts. “It’s a good thing you charge a lot for your coaching,” he said, “because you suck at playing.”

A couple minutes went by with no interesting betting decisions. Eric was playing on autopilot as we discussed his method for quickly sizing up the skill level of an opponent, when suddenly, the talking stopped, and we both gazed lustfully at our latest hole cards: pocket aces, on the button.

“Now there’s a hand with some creative potential,” I said.

The first two players folded and the cutoff opened for $6. He had $200, as did we.

Eric said, “What are we doing?”

I said, “We’re … calling!”

Eric said, “Okay,” and he called.

Both blinds folded. The pot was now headsup.

Eric said, “Hey, we’re up against the bozo player.”

“Yeah,” I said.

I distinctly remember what I was thinking at the time. I was thinking about the financial and emotional damage we were about to inflict on this poor unsuspecting sap who had chosen to visually represent his being with the image of a mostly squashed cockroach.

Eric, anticipating a continuation bet by the cutoff, asked, “Are we instant calling? Instant raising?" Then he paused, and added, “Or folding?”

I erupted with a big loud laughing AHHHHHH-ha-ha-ha-ha and Eric joined in just as loud, right away. I said, “I like your thinking!”

The flop came out 10-6-2 rainbow. The cutoff bet $12 into the $15 pot.

Eric said, “This’ll be the first time anyone made a play like this, on purpose anyway.”

I said, “Wow, you’re really serious about this? That would be wild.” The tempo and pitch of my voice started going up as I processed what was really going on here: “Go ahead! Do it! Fold it!”

Eric giggled, and…

Click. Aces gone.

SMACK! A stinging high five.

We relished the monumentalness of the moment. This went way beyond coffee spilling. This was more like walking on the moon together and puking up our Tang. I rambled on about the incredible improbability of this event. First, I had to be wacko enough to fold those aces six years ago, and then write about it, and Eric had to read about it, and hire me to coach him, and then we had to share our action, and get pocket aces, and then, Eric had to somehow summon enough awareness to think of folding the aces at that perfectly absurd postflop moment.

That I would enthusiastically say yes to Eric’s suggestion was a given. This is the kind of thing that if you pass it up, you regret it forever. Even if you forget it ever happened, the regret lives on inside you, chewing away at your mind’s lining, dampening your dynamics in that way that makes people who haven’t seen you in a while say things like, “You’ve changed.” But they aren’t smiling. Okay, maybe it’s not like that. But it’s something.

Eric and I have talked and emailed plenty since that day, and the pocket aces hand has never come up. It’s like it never happened. Except it did. It’s like we are no different than before. Except we are. It’s like nothing ever matters, except everything always does.


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Dzikijohnny

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If your trying to sell crazy here....sorry all full up.

Posted over 3 years ago

ron0914

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Double dare you to fold a straight flush, and never breathe a word of it!

Do it online, save the hand history, mail it to your lawyer and make it a condition of your will that it be published in the event of your death!

Posted over 3 years ago

Dzikijohnny

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In Omaha 8 once actually beat a guys straight flush with a Royal

Posted over 3 years ago

Enzyme

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Dear Tommy. You have outdone yourself this time. This play is actually worse then folding preflop. Not to say there is no room for improvement though. One can also fold aces on later streets. Definitely looking forward to more glorious folding articles.

Posted over 3 years ago

Thomics

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I love you Tommy Angelo! You are my favorite person Wink
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Posted over 3 years ago

johnnymomo1

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Dear Tommy. You have outdone yourself this time. This play is actually worse then folding preflop. Not to say there is no room for improvement though. One can also fold aces on later streets. Definitely looking forward to more glorious folding articles.




Its not that bad as the guy could have hit a set?? or two pair

Posted over 3 years ago

tmmoss

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ca all day

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all we are is dust in the wind. everything is dust in the wind.

Posted over 3 years ago

theBEE

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are you sure that you've ever been pro?

Posted over 3 years ago

QuadDeuces

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Any fool can fold AA. The loss is finite and small. The brag imaginary.

But it takes a master to open shove 7Club2Heart especially deep-stacked!

Now there's a challenge Tommy! Are you up for it?

Posted over 3 years ago

Fancy Pants

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I do this accidentally all the time, so prolly not going to be doing it intentionally any time soon, but I like the cut of your jib!

Posted over 3 years ago

KaizeN

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Any fool can fold AA. The loss is finite and small. The brag imaginary.

But it takes a master to open shove 7Club2Heart especially deep-stacked!

Now there's a challenge Tommy! Are you up for it?



Any fool can open shove 7Club2Heart. You will win the blinds, the brag is imaginary.

But it takes a master to call a 100BB+ river bet with 7Club2Heart-high and be good!

Posted over 3 years ago

Tommy Angelo

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Any fool can fold AA. The loss is finite and small. The brag imaginary.

But it takes a master to open shove 7Club2Heart especially deep-stacked!





Any fool can open shove 7Club2Heart. You will win the blinds, the brag is imaginary.

But it takes a master to call a 100BB+ river bet with 7Club2Heart-high and be good!



Any fool can call a 100BB+ river bet with 7-high and be good. The win is finite and small. The brag imaginary.

But it takes a master to call with 7-high, and then have his opponent turn over 6-high, and then -- as if he had called with 5-high hoping to catch his opponent with a 4-high or 3-high -- muck.

Posted over 3 years ago

QuadDeuces

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Any fool can call a 100BB+ river bet with 7-high and be good. The win is finite and small. The brag imaginary.

But it takes a master to call with 7-high, and then have his opponent turn over 6-high, and then -- as if he had called with 5-high hoping to catch his opponent with a 4-high or 3-high -- muck.



+1 but only if the pot is 200+BB when the Master mucks his winning hand.

BTW, didn't I see Ivey muck the winning hand at the WSOP when his 88 rivered a flush. What a master who can autopilot muck the winning hand!

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