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25nl Boat vs. nit


awarunn

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UTG villain is 16/8/0.9 over 124 hands
SB villain is 33/17/3.5 over 232 hands and seems fairly solid so far.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 524253
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CO: $26.55
BTN: $22.90
SB: $35.60
Hero (BB): $43.05
UTG: $43.85
MP: $32.05

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 9 Spade 8 Spade
UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.75) 6 Spade 8 Club 9 Club (3 players)
SB bets $1, Hero raises to $3, UTG calls $3, SB calls $2

Turn: ($9.75) 8 Heart (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6.50, UTG calls $6.50, SB folds

River: ($22.75) K Heart (2 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG calls $10

Posted about 2 years ago

Tonic1223

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Thomics

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What's your issue with this hand?



fyp imo.

My thoughts with this hand is that you need to be betting larger for value. I like the raise on the flop. When you get a call from UTG and SB they both have hands worth flatting/calling a raise with. So on the turn I would be more like 7.75-8.25 for value. You have the best hand and this is an incredibly draw heavy board. On the river when you get called by UTG he has a hand he is trying to see to showdown. I would be betting more like 18 or 19 I guess it could be argued that you can bet more. But you are going to be getting called by a ton of hands here.

The reason to be betting more on each street is to get your stack in by the river.

Posted about 2 years ago

awarunn

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fyp imo.

My thoughts with this hand is that you need to be betting larger for value. I like the raise on the flop. When you get a call from UTG and SB they both have hands worth flatting/calling a raise with. So on the turn I would be more like 7.75-8.25 for value. You have the best hand and this is an incredibly draw heavy board. On the river when you get called by UTG he has a hand he is trying to see to showdown. I would be betting more like 18 or 19 I guess it could be argued that you can bet more. But you are going to be getting called by a ton of hands here.

The reason to be betting more on each street is to get your stack in by the river.



What are some hands in his range? IMO it's hard to put him on a hand that will call a psb on the river.

Tonic: Bet sizing is my issue with the hand.

Posted about 2 years ago

Rockhoe14er

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Yeah bet something like 8.75 on the turn to just ship the river.

well, i agree it's an interesting line that he just flats the flop raise. I think his range of hands is a lot of PP TT+ but there could be a couple of nut flush draws in his range. I think that's the biggest part of his range. I think that he probably won't call a pot size bet on the river especially with the K but who knows i still think it's the best play to just ship it in.

The reason you should be betting larger on the turn is to set yourself up for a river shove and to get more value from draws and other sorts of hands. Because there really is no bad river card for you and there are soo many that are bad for him especially if he is on a flush draw and ends up hitting his flush on the river.

Get more value from this hand especially against a nit. Those are my main problems with the hand too.

Posted about 2 years ago

SootedPower

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Don't size your bet so small that it's obviously a value bet.

I can understand thinking that some nit isn't going to call a pot sized all in, but if he's calling 10, he's not going to fold to to 13 or 14.

Also, as was said above, betting the turn more is really key. bet more on the turn and you can get more in on the river.

Posted about 2 years ago

oh hai

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I agree with a lot of this-- bet more on turn and river.

Also, we only have 124 hands on the guy. 16/8 over 124 hands does not a nit make. I've run those stats over 124 hands before at certain tables, and my game is a lot closer to 25/20.

Posted about 2 years ago

awarunn

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Thanks guys. FWIW he called my bet and flipped over 66 Frown

Posted about 2 years ago

Langerz

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Thanks guys. FWIW he called my bet and flipped over 66 Frown



Thats another reason to bet bigger obviously.

Any hand that is calling 10 on the river is probably calling 16. As stated already a bigger bet might get even more calls since you look like a whiffed club draw or something.

Posted about 2 years ago

1BYONE

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udownwithvpp

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Depending on gameflow I raise to at least 5 on the flop because so many hands will still call on that flop.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Turlock

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Depending on gameflow I raise to at least 5 on the flop because so many hands will still call on that flop.



This.

His entire calling range is coming along here for a big raise so maximise your value.

Posted almost 2 years ago

mkclerk

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Yeah I'll agree with everyone eles. We lost value in this hand. I think it's important to recognize spots like this with this and that this player would have called off more. I have this problem myself. When a tight player like this calls the flop bet after you rasied it and the original better is still left to act he has a strong hand. Something he is probably getting to showdown with. Then after calling the turn I think he is calling a good sized river bet. Like everone said a little more on the turn would have made a big difference on the river.

Posted almost 2 years ago




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