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NL50: 3bet pot


rocksstah

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vilain is 19/16/9 over 160 hands.

original opener is TAG folding often enough to 3bets.

My own image is prolly 3betting around 10%, rather CO/BTN and some out of the blinds.

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Hero (CO): $50.00
BTN: $45.25
SB: $50.00
BB: $60.40
UTG: $59.75
MP: $104.60

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with K Spade Q Spade
1 fold, MP raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, SB calls $5.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($14.25) 4 Club 7 Diamond K Heart (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($14.25) T Diamond (2 players)
SB bets $10.25, Hero calls $10.25

River: ($34.75) J Diamond (2 players)
SB bets $18.25, Hero requests TIME

Hero?

Him cold calling a 3bet guess his range is really strong. Idea checking back the flop is that if ahead I get more value from his JJ/QQ + pot control + flop texture is WA/WB. If I bet I don't think he will call often enough with worse + he has an aggro factor of 9...

Calling turn is standard with the idea above.

But when he fires the river again, kinda torn, he might by trying to get value thin with QQ but then again guess more combos that beat me? Even AQ got there now.

Comments?

Posted about 2 years ago

Rockhoe14er

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yeah i personally would bet the flop because i still think he is going to call you with QQ and JJ here. But i can see your reasoning behind cking the flop so i don't think that's a bad option to do here.

Turn is pretty standard i like your line and river card sucks so i think i would fold because he can show up with a lot of hands that beat you and unless you think he is capable of bluffing i'd fold.

Posted about 2 years ago

Poker_Road

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I think you must bet the flop here.
I think you should have been so happy with this flop as his most likley hands for cold calling your 3 bet are TT/JJ ...(QQ less likley as they are a 4bet for most players and you have a Q also so its less likley)

Id bet 14 on the flop here .
I think villian is always peeling the flop here with TT/JJ .
turn is nasty (id bet/fold)
River even nastier (id check/fold)

As played, fold river (we are beating nothing here,looks like a thin value bet thats not folding to a shove)

If villian is thin value betting the river i think he should bet closer to the pot. This great concept is discussed by WOT in the Real Life Grinder series....wat a fuckin series.

Posted about 2 years ago

Langerz

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If you aren't cbetting here what is your cbet range on this flop?

Posted about 2 years ago

SootedPower

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rocksstah

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Why are you 3betting here?


KQ removes ~28% of cards of his 4betting range... thus primarly as a bluff.

Posted about 2 years ago

spotDEspot

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Why bluff with a hand that has good post flop equity Vs standard TAG's range here and allows you to cooler him occassionally and not commit too much when you hit one pair type hands?

What hands does he call a 3bet OOP? JJ/TT - QQ (probably), AQs maybe - probably not much else so you have to bet the flop imo.

What is your calling range here PF?

Posted about 2 years ago

SootedPower

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Your edge over this opponent with KQs postflop IP is going to be substantial, IMO. I would polarize my bluffing range and call IP position with hands like KQs. Thish hand is WAAAAAY to profitable to turn into a bluff.

big SC's like KQs, KJs, or even AKs and AQs are pretty much the nuts in position in a single raised pot because they give you so much flexibility in terms of lines to take and options for outplaying your opponent.

Posted about 2 years ago

Niklius

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Your edge over this opponent with KQs postflop IP is going to be substantial, IMO. I would polarize my bluffing range and call IP position with hands like KQs. Thish hand is WAAAAAY to profitable to turn into a bluff.

big SC's like KQs, KJs, or even AKs and AQs are pretty much the nuts in position in a single raised pot because they give you so much flexibility in terms of lines to take and options for outplaying your opponent.



I think this is probably the biggest mistake in the hand. You are getting worse to fold here everytime. I wouldn't even be upset if someone called behind me because it works so well multiway.

Posted about 2 years ago

Yojimgari

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Do not 3bet preflop. Use a polarized 3betting range in position against a TAG, especially one that folds to a lot of 3bets. 3bet stuff like KJo/A8o that are barely not good enough to call with here, instead of KQs. KQs has very strong value to call with preflop. You don't want to waste it by opening yourself up to a 4bet, and if he calls, he has a range that dominates you or is slightly ahead. $5.25 is a better 3bet size, no need to bluff bigger than necessary, or reduce the number of calls you get if you have a value hand. If the guy folds a lot, you can go down to $5 though.

Possible range for SB:
TT+,AQs+,AKo

There's a chance he'll go for a cold 4bet with KK+, or make a marginal call with AQo though. I suppose it's also possible he could show up with 99/AJs/KQs though or 4bet QQ/AK but I doubt that.

Check behind on the flop. You are behind KK+/AK. AQs will fold to a bet but may bluff the turn and doesn't have much equity against you. You can't get three streets from QQ-TT and they may even fold to a flop bet.

On the turn you should take this against these combos of hands from the example range:
AA 6 combos - Fold
KK 1 combo - Fold
QQ 3 combos - Call
JJ 6 combos - Call
TT 3 combos - Fold
AK 8 combos - Fold
AdQd 1 combos - Raise
AsQs/AhQh 2 combos - Call

Fold against 18 combos, call against 11 combos, and raise against 1 combo. A call is only good against 37% of his range. Against that range I'm not sure. I think he'll always bet KK+/TT/AK/AdQd on the turn but won't always bet QQ/JJ/AsQs/AhQh though. If he can bet 6 out of those latter 1 combos then you should fold against 18 combos, call against 6 combos, and raise against 1 combo, and a call will only be good against 24% of his range. But he bet 70% pot on the turn, that is big for QQ/JJ, which may go for one street of value on the river, or check-call the turn instead. So it's even less likely he has QQ/JJ. Meaning you can fold against 18 combos, call against 3 combos, and raise against 1 combo, and a call is only good against 14% of his range.

I think you should fold the turn, if that was his preflop range. Snap fold the river, you beat absolutely nothing here. Even if the guy somehow shows up with AQo/99/AJs/KQs preflop, you don't beat AQo on the river, he won't bet 99/AJs/KQs twice this big. I would definitely check this flop, there is no point to a bet. Good luck, Yojimgari

Posted about 2 years ago




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