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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (Micro/Small Stakes)

At 49:09 in the lower left hand table you pick up AQo UTG. The 16/13 in MP calls and everyone else folded, the flop comes down KT2r. I was wondering why you didn't make a cbet there?

This has been a great series and you both have improved my game immensely. Thanks.

At 49:09 in the lower left hand table you pick up AQo UTG. The 16/13 in MP calls and everyone else folded, the flop comes down KT2r. I was wondering why you didn't make a cbet there?

This has been a great series and you both have improved my game immensely. Thanks.

yea that sounds like an oversight. if we didnt mention anything about it in the video, we probably just overlooked it and alex clicked check w/o thinking

if we bet we can bluff

can u elaborate on this?don't really understand...i mean, yeah we bluff if we bet but have to fold if we get raised and alot of turncards can improve our hand for our backdoordraws and if he checks the turn again we can cbet anyway.

WoT I think you missed my 2 questions at the end of page 2

I cringed pretty bad at white's top set bet on the turn versus that bad tag. Eeeeeee.

The one board with ATTr vs the fish in position with 44 I think depends a lot on how the fish plays. If he's just going to let you check it down vs his KQ (which has a lot of equity anyways, abotu a coin flip) then I don't mind checking it down. Checking the turn brings u 1 more street closer to showdown afterall. However if he's just gunna check fold the flop with a bunch of king highs, some pocket pairs (maybe), and other shaninigan hands he has then I like betting more (as its profitable in a vacuum). But versus a guy who will check call that flop with kq and apply pressure later in the hand I definitely like playing more passive overall ont hat flop.

And 44 on Attr vs 44 on 678hh are two completely different hands as the second 1 has exactly 0 equity when called where the first 1 you can still have as much as 50% but may be forced to fold later on in the hand.

last note, in responseto well what if he bets every turn I'd obviously call the turn and fold the river. If he's just blindly firing both I can probably call down profitably too.

35' BL you have QThh and the board is 7964chch after you called his cbet IP. You didn't think about getting check/raised in that spot, are we snapfolding or snapcalling ?

this would be a good exercise for you to use what you've learned in my Mathematics of NL Hold'em series and bust out pokerstove and give the guy a range to checkraise and see if we have enough equity to bet/call. Keep in mind that he's playing pretty tight so far and that we'll be getting about 2:1 on our call if he check/shoves.

I've already done the poker stoving for what I think his range might be for check/shoving here but i'd like to see what you guys come up with. Honestly I think it's super super rare that we get checkraised on this turn from a tight player.

WoT

very next hand you have KJhh and again you flatcall IP preflop. WoT you said flatcalling wasn't a mistake but probably wasn't optimal since we had to try to take the pot down sometimes even if the flop doesn't come like we hoped. What's the optimal line then ? I guess 3betting ? What are your arguments for it ?

i never commented about preflop on this hand in the video. that said i'm fine with either option of flat calling or 3betting preflop, especially because the particular villain in this hand has such a high fold to 3bet% through our current sample. Our hand has a decent amount of value and only 1 guy behind us who is likely to squeeze so i'd probably prefer flat calling to 3betting in this particular instance.

i think what you might be referring to is the option of calling the flop vs raising the flop, which i prefer raising the flop for reasons stated in the vid.

Boy, Alex got grilled in this vid (watch out for those pocket 4's - I think that they're WoT's favorite hand...just kidding just kidding )

Anyway, here's my question re the discussion about AKo that Alex has on the button (around 7:10 min). WoT is asking Alex what he would do if he had KK in that spot and Alex said just call. Now this kind of thinking is very new to me because I always thought it was best to isolate and create a heads-up scenario when playing big hands (AK, AQ, QQ+) but WoT is suggesting that it may be more profitable just to call and let more people enter the pot?

1) Ideally, how many more people would you want to enter the pot? Since it started off between the CO and Alex (on the button), there is only the 2 blinds left. Would you be happy if both of them called?
2) Would you still want to call with your premium hands (say KK) if you were out of position, something like UTG+1 and the CO reraises and then the SB calls - would you still overcall there?
3) What would you do if you had something like QQ on the button and the CO raised - would you still advocate calling to have the blinds potentially also call and enter the pot (if you hadn't guessed already, I have enormous difficulty with playing QQ)

Thanks again, both Alex and WoT for taking the time to answer all these questions. It is much appreciated...

fischie, the main issue is that we're putting in half of our stack already... we're not getting away on any board putting in that much money so the real issue is just how do we maximize our return, and generally that's by not further discouraging action. so in all those situations outlined if we're putting in 50% of our stack preflop and there's still action behind us there's really no need to discourage action with the second nuts. let me quickly run through your questions specifically though:

1) yea i mean if we could get 4 way action preflop with KK i'd be pretty ecstatic. sure it reduces the # of times you'll win the entire pot but your ROI will be huge and you'll win more $ on average. try it out in poker stove and give the other guys various hands you think they might stick 50bb in with and see how our equity changes and see how our monies goes up and up the bigger the pot gets

2) with 50% of our stack in, it doesnt matter if we're in or out of position

3) yea i think i mentioned in the vid i would flat call QQ as well but certainly shoving to make it easier to play if an A or K hits is another viable option, but think of it this way, is anyone ever just flat calling AK behind you for 50% of their stack? They would pretty much always ship the rest in anyway so they dont have to worry about what to do if they dont hit an A or K, so when you have QQ are you really that afraid of an overcard? no one is ever overcalling with AQ or KQ with 50bb and if they do when you have QQ that's fine too because of your huge equity edge.

so the next logical question is how much stack would we have to get in preflop before we'd prefer flatting vs 3betting while still making the hand easy to play postflop (enough that we dont realy care what board hits). That would ultimately be a math problem that I'm not exactly sure how to solve but I suspect the answer would be around 30-35% of stacks, but it really just depends on what we think the guys behind us would do with something like AQ or TT.

fischie, the main issue is that we're putting in half of our stack already... we're not getting away on any board putting in that much money so the real issue is just how do we maximize our return, and generally that's by not further discouraging action. so in all those situations outlined if we're putting in 50% of our stack preflop and there's still action behind us there's really no need to discourage action with the second nuts. let me quickly run through your questions specifically though:

Oops...my bad. I thought that is was less than 50 percent of our stack. Understand reasoning now.

so the next logical question is how much stack would we have to get in preflop before we'd prefer flatting vs 3betting while still making the hand easy to play postflop (enough that we dont realy care what board hits). That would ultimately be a math problem that I'm not exactly sure how to solve but I suspect the answer would be around 30-35% of stacks, but it really just depends on what we think the guys behind us would do with something like AQ or TT.

Yes, this is what I was (trying to) get at. I'm assuming that stack sizes may also factor in a bit too as I would be more hesitant to just flat with bigger stacks behind me than if there were just stacks equal to mine or shorter. I got caught up in a similar situation in a live game, where I was the big blind with AKo and there was a straddler and 3 loose players behind me who all limped into the pot. The SB raised it up but not enough (I thought) for the lags to not be getting good odds to call if I just flat-called so I re-raised SB's raise and they all folded (even the SB who had the same hand I did). Turns out one of the lags behind me had TT so I guess it was a good play, but I got a lot of comments and criticism at the time for playing the way I did, and I always wondered if it would have been more profitable for me to just flat-call there.

with AK i would almost always prefer reraising to isolate because you can get people to fold hands that have 50% equity vs you. with QQ there's only 1 hand that has similar equity vs you and it's not folding regardless etc. with KK/AA you can see why it would be even better to keep hands like TT in... so i think your reraise with AK was a good play.

This is a really awesome informative episode! I loved the questions what would you do if turn was x card etc. I am grinding the 100NL too and found this episode very informative. It really creates a "thinking mentality", which you can apply to every situation!

Awesome!

K, I re-did the audio for the entire video -- it wasn't easy but I think it sounds a lot better now. I'll work with Aaron to make it easier for us to do this in the future so it only requires minimal ninjaing.

Rob

Just a quick note to say excellent job on the audio.

best video of the series so far, prerecorded reviews are awesome.

aaron you are excellent at articulating ideas, outstanding.

alex, great job man.

alex: browsed though the other video comments, did you ever put your HEM HUD config files up for download??

Thanks again