WiltOnTilt
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41:40 You fold QTS in SB vs BTN open. You had been pounding on him w/3 bets. I usually just call here oop, is this a leak? Early in the video you fold JTs on the BTN vs. an UTG open. Why is this a fold? BVB you open 99 in SB and get reraised by the BB and fold. He was 18/15 with a 3B% of 6.4. I must be a calling station because I can't find the fold button here.
they are not leaks preflop so long as you're doing plenty of stealing the pot postflop. relatively few at these stakes plays well enough oop to call with QTs vs a good regular's button open and show a profit. if you do, then fine go ahead and call.
as for the JTs hand, similar applies... we need to be taking the pot away a fair amount because do we really expect an 18/15 solid reg to play a big pot once we hit a flush or when we hit a straight unless it's a cooler type spot? Otherwise, we're looking to flop hands that have 50% equity vs his range and speculative fold equity against a tight utg raiser.
so ultimately it's like everything else in poker. know your opponent. the more you know about him, the more you can get away with calling (or 3betting) in spots like these. if you have no idea how often he cbets or 2barrels or what to do when you flop a medium strength 1 pair hand then you stand to lose a lot of money by playing these hands. if you have no idea how often you can get the guy to fold postflop on different board textures then you'll unlikely be able to take the pot away successfully often enough.
i guess what i'm trying to say is that it's not as simple as "i have hand QTs and the button opens fold or call?" there's more to it than that, the more you know about the guy and the better you play postflop, the more you can make these types of calls. if you're calling to try to hit 2pair or a draw and play a big pot or aren't a good enough hand reader to call down/get away from a marginal one pair hand in the right spots, then it's going to be tough to show a profit with these hands.
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oneillsurfer03
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one of the things I have found at this level is that actually keeping my cbet size smaller when I have it induces alot more wild ridiculous bluffs which makes it so easy to get paid. Now unless he is a player so prone to calling I will raise my bet size but loose players that raise alot you save money on ur c bets with air and it induces alot of action. This has just been my expierience at this level. Also you hit the nail on the head that players at this level play so face up on the turn and river that basically any hand i am checked to in a decent size pot I fire a good size VB looking bet and have had alot of succes. But the vids are great just sucks how bad Alex ran the first few.
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kabal
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best video of the series so far, prerecorded reviews are awesome.
aaron you are excellent at articulating ideas, outstanding.
alex, great job man.
alex: browsed though the other video comments, did you ever put your HEM HUD config files up for download??
Thanks again
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kabal
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best video of the series so far, prerecorded reviews are awesome.
aaron you are excellent at articulating ideas, outstanding.
alex, great job man.
alex: browsed though the other video comments, did you ever put your HEM HUD config files up for download??
Thanks again
opps, was meant to post this on episode 7
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Mr. Fantastic
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First, let me say I love this series and I think you're a great coach Aaron.
Around 51:00 the villain on the right hand table, who min raised UTG and c-bet flop, makes a very small bet on the turn, which is an ace. We now hold 9
9
on a board of 2
Q
7
A
. Despite getting a good price, we opt to fold. This seems like pretty standard stuff based solely on board texture and villain's stats.
You said "We don't have any indication he's going to be two barrel bluffing." However, this was the same guy who tried a hopeless bluff around 41:00 with 2
2
on a board of A
4
Q
8
T
. And this was after insta-cold calling a pre-flop 3-bet OOP against the villain who reraised A
7
OTB. In that hand villain took a similar line of making tiny bets that gave a really good price to callers. So obviously this guy is a retard. But getting past that, I think the ace hits his perceived very narrow pre flop raising range (which probably includes AKs , no?) so we should fold anyway.
But my question is as follows: if the turn were a blank, do we fold 99 anyway based on his stats? If we were focusing more on his line with 22 earlier, does it affect our decision here? How often do you think he randomly shows up with another small pair in this spot, if ever?
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WiltOnTilt
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First, let me say I love this series and I think you're a great coach Aaron.
Around 51:00 the villain on the right hand table, who min raised UTG and c-bet flop, makes a very small bet on the turn, which is an ace. We now hold 9
9
on a board of 2
Q
7
A
. Despite getting a good price, we opt to fold. This seems like pretty standard stuff based solely on board texture and villain's stats.
You said "We don't have any indication he's going to be two barrel bluffing." However, this was the same guy who tried a hopeless bluff around 41:00 with 2
2
on a board of A
4
Q
8
T
. And this was after insta-cold calling a pre-flop 3-bet OOP against the villain who reraised A
7
OTB. In that hand villain took a similar line of making tiny bets that gave a really good price to callers. So obviously this guy is a retard. But getting past that, I think the ace hits his perceived very narrow pre flop raising range (which probably includes AKs , no?) so we should fold anyway.
But my question is as follows: if the turn were a blank, do we fold 99 anyway based on his stats? If we were focusing more on his line with 22 earlier, does it affect our decision here? How often do you think he randomly shows up with another small pair in this spot, if ever?
great question. i screwed this up and forgot to take the other hand at 41:00 into consideration. we should be calling the turn there on the 99 hand based on that read of the 22 hand. he could be "value betting" worse pairs there. it appears on the 22 hand, he sort of bet because he wasn't sure what else to do. a player like that is too unpredictable to be making this sort of fold on the turn getting that sort of price. Like I mentioned in the vid too... if he bet bigger i probably like a call as well, when he bets small like that I assumed it's mostly going to be Qx that doesnt want to bet big on the "scare card".
we'd call a turn blank as well, given the read. I think he randomly shows up w/ a smaller pair here a lot (at least relative to the pot odds we're getting)
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WiltOnTilt
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Great series, thanks imo
http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/434-Episode-Six?seek=1424
What were you planning vs a raise on flop with AJo on the 7d2cAc board? And I'm gonna guess turn 6h was a bet/call, probably not too excited tho?
http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/434-Episode-Six?seek=2724
KThh on 742hh. What are we gonna do if a) stevenc shoves b) kyo shoves/raises big c) someone calls and turn is another 2 or something d) kyo calls and leads a Tc turn big/shoves (pot is about 64 and we got 84 behind) (afaik we gotta fold non-heart/K/T turns?)
http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/434-Episode-Six?seek=3840
KT on JT7hh 3way. Are you less likely to cbet here if either of them is pretty aggro? One thing that I find annoying with betting these spots for value is it's quite often pretty hard to see the real money with like half the deck being bad and it's kinda hard to know when they're bluffing. Are we gonna bet and how big if binxer calls the flop and the turn blanks? If krieg calls we should have pretty poor equity on a blank turn vs him so what's the plan?
hand 1: yea, bet/call and be pretty happy with it... not fist pumping, but not crying either. Yea we don't necessarily expect tons of worse Ax, but people will just confusion shove there with weird hands some % of the time. Also the fish was in between us when we squeezed pf, which widens the pf caller's range
hand 2:
when we raise this hand, we're pretty much going with it. It's going to be pretty hard for them to have a range here that prices us out of calling it off, even if we're not super happy about it. The small raise is to get a cheap turn if we want it, or to set up the pot to continue barreling.
If kyo calls and leads a non improving turn, we're most likely folding.
hand 3:
i prefer betting there with position because we protect our equity in the pot, we have a chance to play well on bad turns/rivers with position and we can get called by worse hands and worse draws. Part of the value here is just from hand protection, because like you said, half the deck is bad. It's not such a bad thing when we're heads up, and we can let some bad cards slide off vs 1 other player, but dont forget we stand to take over a lot of equity if we get someone to fold like a gutshot and an overcard here.
I dont necssarily agree with your assessment that we have poor equity on blank turns vs either of their calling ranges individually. Vs both of them together, i definitely agree. I'd probably bet a blank turn and check behind on the river vs players I expect are too loose. Vs tight players i think checking behind the turn to induce from busted draws and/or value bet our second pair vs worse hands on the river is fine.
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