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On Wednesday we are test piloting a video for TheLoon's new European site based series (running in the upcoming season).

We are looking for suggestions - topics you want to see Ruben dive into and explore with other DC coaches.

We're pretty excited to start exploring the European landscape for those of you who play on sites other than FTP/Stars (and those of you curious to see if the legend of soft European sites really IS true or is just a myth)!

Which sites are in contention? I'd be interested in the definition of a eurosite and which are safe in terms of cash security and customer service.

Really looking forward to this series! I've played a decent amount on euro sites, but there are some mysteries still to be solved..

Some random suggestions:

-Maybe some discussion about rake, if it is higher at €-tables etc.

-5max vs. 6max. There are two major networks(Ongame and Boss) that have 5max tables instead of 6max tables. This is not a huge problem, but maybe there is something to talk about. Like everyone's VPIP goes up, you have position more often, how to adjust to that..

-Differences between sites. Like Ongame has lots of fish with a terrible software, ipoker is a nitfest with lots of shortstackers and so on..

-Playing in a table full of fish. Different fish species maybe? It's funny, but sometimes I have hard time adjusting when there is fish on blinds, fish on the right, fish everywhere.

-Playing with euroregs. Maybe the regulars are more exploitable because they are more used to softer competition?

Maybe you can also come up with some kind of a conclusion: Is it really +EV to play at the eurosites compared to FT or Stars?

Maybe you can also come up with some kind of a conclusion: Is it really +EV to play at the eurosites compared to FT or Stars?

this would be very interesting

sounds awesome!!

ipoker and prima/micogaming would be cool

-Differences between sites. Like Ongame has lots of fish with a terrible software, ipoker is a nitfest with lots of shortstackers and so on.

I play ipoker 6max 10nl.. def. not a nitfest.. table VPIP's of >50% are quite common up to 25nl. There are quite a few on shortstacks, but they are so terrible at that level -- esp. on the GBP and Euro tables -- that they're easy to play against.

Also, a little table selection will limit the SS'ers to 1 or 2.

I found myself with a 35BB ss'er to my right yesterday. He was nice enough to donk off 2 stacks and most of a third buyin to me with atrocious OOP 3bet bluffs and shoving with air/2nd pair on the flop. They're typically just picking up dead money and once you've got them on a range its easy to stack them.

I have limited experience of course, but I think I'm getting as much or more value out of some of these ship-it donk's than I do out of your usual weak/loose weak/tight 10nl'er w/ full stack. Maybe I just suck, but thats what I'm seeing in my sessions =)

In any case, this series is a great idea and I'm looking forward to it!

Maybe you can also come up with some kind of a conclusion: Is it really +EV to play at the eurosites compared to FT or Stars?

+1, I'm in the UK but only play on Stars and FT, unsure whether it would be a good move to put some money on the so-called 'fishier' sites.

Great! This is exactly what I wanted to see since I've been thinking about switching to a EU based site for a while know but I'm not sure if would be good or not.

I play ipoker 6max 10nl.. def. not a nitfest..

You are probably correct. I don't play at ipoker regularly, so I might have misspoken. Just quickly came up with some examples about differences between sites.


One more addition to series suggestions: Differences between stakes at eurosites(like Moving on up). Of course if it seems to be same as in US sites, no need to cover that topic..

A discussion of the different rake structures and how it affects your profits would be very useful.

The Myth of Euro Sites softness soon to be revealed ?

Looking forward to this...

A discussion of the different rake structures and how it affects your profits would be very useful.

+1, it would be very nice to hear a discussion about it.

I Play at Ladbrokes Poker (Microgaming network). Regs are pretty decent at 50NL+.

Wanna know more about rake too.

Have to agree with this. The euro sites are def. looser but not necessarily softer. Lots of the looser players tend to be LAGs with close vpip/pf-raise stats... 40/35 not uncommon even at 10nl.

This doesnt mean they are good of course, but play against them is definitely higher variance.

I would like to hear discussion about differences between 5max and 6max and level of playing at nl10 in present.