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Kibble1

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PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $189.47
SB: $50.25
Hero (BB): $135.96
UTG: $164.09
MP: $26.23
CO: $50.75

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has ADiamond KSpade

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $1.00, fold, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN calls $3.50

Flop: ($9.25, 2 players) TClub KDiamond 6Club
Hero bets $5.75, BTN calls $5.75

Turn: ($20.75, 2 players) 5Diamond
Hero bets $13.50, BTN calls $13.50

River: ($47.75, 2 players) 8Diamond
Hero bets $30.00, BTN raises to $165.72 and is all-in, fold

BTN wins $105.25


Villain seems fishy ... 32/12/ Went to Sd : 18 (80 hands)

i can't call this he could have any random 2 pair combination, every possible set and backdoorflush crap. C/call river costs alot of value in my opinion. Do you play it differently? thanks.

Posted 10 months ago

rrumsey

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ask yourself about this:

What was my goal by 3 barreling here?

What in his open call a 3 bet range improves on this river?

Did i ever give him a chance to be weak here?

With the ADiamond blocker, what combos of flushes does he get to the river with?

Posted 10 months ago

Kibble1

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my goal was to let him pay with Kx, Tx JJ ... 3 times.
He will call everything playable vs my 3bet in position i guess, atleast every suited hand and Pocketpair.

he could have QdJd, TdXd , 9d7d, Jd9d Qd9d etc

Posted 10 months ago

Langerz

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my goal was to let him pay with Kx, Tx JJ ... 3 times.
He will call everything playable vs my 3bet in position i guess, atleast every suited hand and Pocketpair.

he could have QdJd, TdXd , 9d7d, Jd9d Qd9d etc



I think you are a little generous on your flush combos. He's loose, but I wouldn't expect all of those combos in his 3bet calling range.

That said his line is strong and it's probably a fold if he's been passive so far. Passive people aren't doing this as a bluff or with one pair. I don't know he's passive just guessing based off his pf stats.

Posted 10 months ago

Kibble1

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i would call nearly any suited hand 2.5 stacks Deep in position even 95s Smile

Posted 10 months ago

SchFerreira

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You played fine all the way. I'd say that almost everybody at most stakes wont be bluffing that river often enough for a call there to be profitable, but calling against a 32/12 at 50NL Zoom is especially bad.

Also, he's definitely not being generous with the flush combos. All the ones he listed, plus others, are very standard for this type of player.

Posted 10 months ago

Gizardpuke

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I think you are a little generous on your flush combos. He's loose, but I wouldn't expect all of those combos in his 3bet calling range.

That said his line is strong and it's probably a fold if he's been passive so far. Passive people aren't doing this as a bluff or with one pair. I don't know he's passive just guessing based off his pf stats.



though i agree with this logic, i'm still curious that any actual strong hand here is going to overshove the river.

the only hands we expect him to do that with are diamond flushes. and if we believe that he's shoved a rivered backdoor flush, then we're basically saying his post flop range consists of monstly FD hands like AQ, AJ, AT, QJ, QT, JT. what else will over shove the river... sets, badly played over pairs. so KK, TT, AA, 66. we are deep, so set mining is a posibility.

i cant believe that 97Club will call 3bet PF, but it is possible if he's bad loose. same with random 2 pair combos.

so, he's either a thinking player, and flopped a set, and made sure the river was a brick before shoving, or he's really bad, and chased an ok draw or other made pair, and caught it lucky on the river. and i've seen fish shove rivers with missed FD's like KQ or KJ in spots like this, cause they think that their huge stack size gives them natural FE (whether he thinks that remains to be seen). so then whats his 3bet calling range PF. cause if the above is true, and he is that loose, then hands like TJClub+ are real possibilities.

i think we need to sort the hand ranges. and compare those to the hands he's over shoving the river with. i'd argue there are more bluffs there.

Posted 10 months ago

Kibble1

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I would agree with you that calling 97Club would be a bad call for 100BB ... but it is definately a standard call for 250BB. you have massive implied odds and position.

If he bluffed me on the river i would have to say : NH ... shipping another 200BB is really insane.

Posted 10 months ago




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