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Villain: 286 hands, 20/16, 3bet pf: 8%, cbet flop: 65%, cbet turn: 25% (1/4), AFq: 38%, AF:1.46 He has 3BB/100 at NL20 in 47k hands.

Ongame Network $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1853262
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BB: $9.59
UTG: $35.99
CO: $43.57
BTN: $37.51
Hero (SB): $31.11

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is SB with Q Q
UTG raises to $0.50, CO raises to $2.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.40, 2 folds

Flop: ($5.70) 8 5 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $4.30, Hero calls $4.30

Turn: ($14.30) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8

Hero?

I'm struggling with these deep 3bet pots. I think it's fine to fold here, given villain's stats. He doesn't even thought too much before his 2nd barrel. It seems, his bet size expect a call, and that way he can push the river. He can have easily 55, 77 here, and of course the KK, AA. I don't think he bet like this with JJ or TT in a deep 3bet pot against me. What you think? Should've 4bet preflop? If I 4bet and he pushes I must call, what i don't like 150bb deep. If I 4bet/fold, then I bluffed with QQ, what isn't good either I think. Flop c/r is a bluff too, if I fold to his push. If I c/r flop and call, it's the same thing, just like the pf 4bet/call. Really don't know, what's the best play here.

You really think he would 3 bet 55 or 77 pre-flop with his 3 bet % pre-flop?
Any idea what his shoving range is?

I think his 3bet from CO vs UTG.. is not near 8% (still we only have 290 hands on him)

Bit his range for 3betting there is rly rly strong.. + the fact that he bombs the flop+the turn

Sry, I didn't posted UTG's stats, he plays 34/22, -2,5BB/100 player. Not sure, but that can induce a 3bet with non premium-hands too. But yeah, I think he would've called with 55, 77 rather than 3betting.

Yeh his turn bet really screams out value. His bet sizing looks like he is setting up stacks for a river shove and that turn card didn't increase his fold equity if he was going for a second barrel.
I don't think you did anything wrong but being oop sucks.

Sure, being OOP sucks always, but what If I would've call here from button. Would you call his turn bet IP? I think it's the same. If I call the turn, I must call the river too.

Villain: 286 hands, 20/16, 3bet pf: 8%, cbet flop: 65%, cbet turn: 25% (1/4), AFq: 38%, AF:1.46 He has 3BB/100 at NL20 in 47k hands.

What does this mean?


Also explain your thought process behind the preflop cold call.

That he isn't terrible. He isn't a total fail postflop, like the other 20/16 players with -3BB/100. I'm not saying, that he is the best, but he is among the better players at this limit.
I explained my thought process behind the preflop call in the hand description. I'm not sure, what is the best play. If I 4bet/fold, I bluffed with QQ. If I 4bet/call, I'm risking 150bb in a preflop all-in with QQ, what's not the best thing imo. If I fold preflop QQ against a 3bet, I'm the nittest nit on earth. So, I decided to call, and play the hand postflop. I thought he will cbet with his entire pf range, but will check behind on the turn with his air/marginal holdings, so I decided to call 1 street. His 2nd barrel was pretty fast, and I don't think he is doing it with TT-JJ, so I decided to fold. This play can be weak, but don't know, how could've play it better.

Have you played 286 hands with this guy or 47k?

That he isn't terrible. He isn't a total fail postflop, like the other 20/16 players with -3BB/100. I'm not saying, that he is the best, but he is among the better players at this limit.
I explained my thought process behind the preflop call in the hand description. I'm not sure, what is the best play. If I 4bet/fold, I bluffed with QQ. If I 4bet/call, I'm risking 150bb in a preflop all-in with QQ, what's not the best thing imo. If I fold preflop QQ against a 3bet, I'm the nittest nit on earth. So, I decided to call, and play the hand postflop. I thought he will cbet with his entire pf range, but will check behind on the turn with his air/marginal holdings, so I decided to call 1 street. His 2nd barrel was pretty fast, and I don't think he is doing it with TT-JJ, so I decided to fold. This play can be weak, but don't know, how could've play it better.

I think it would be better to play this hand by 4 betting pre, and getting it all in. As played I would guess his range to be: AA, KK, AK, AQ (maybe) - I dont believe with a 8% 3 bet, and given you are UTG, he is 3 betting much more than that. That said there are plenty of combos of AK to worry about getting bluffed off the best hand.

QQ can be difficlut to play post flop and at higher stakes this is just a get it in with a slight edge over his range. Sure you will run in to AA and KK a fair bit here, but I think similar to many layers at lower stakes you are trying to play with a greater deal of control over your results than is optimal that leads to passive play - you have to be prepared to jam it in pre flop with a slight edge to progress to higher stakes. Be prepared to lose 40% of the time to win 60% of the time.

Have you played 286 hands with this guy or 47k?

I have played 286 hands, the 47k is a pokertableratings stat.

pickpokkit: I'm not UTG, but he made a 3bet against UTG, so he is 3betting less than 8%, just as you said.

I have played 286 hands, the 47k is a pokertableratings stat.

pickpokkit: I'm not UTG, but he made a 3bet against UTG, so he is 3betting less than 8%, just as you said.

Yes sorry but the point remains valid. What I m saying is that just because we are deep it does not make his range stronger for 3 betting, it actually makes it weaker, and we should not be afraid of getting it in less than 200bbs with qq plus.
I just noticed you revised his stats 34/22. It's gotta be a 4 bet get it in pre flop now. You agree?

Hehe, no. His stat isn't 34/22, UTG's stat is 34/22, his stat is 20/16 and it is at the top of the page. I wrote, that UTG's 34/22 loose stat could induced CO's 3bet with a non-premium hand.

I understand, what you say: His 3bet range is weaker, because we are deep, but if I 4bet, I will be facing with his 5bet range. I have no clue about his 5bet range in deep spots, but he isn't a bluffing type probably, so his 5bet will be very-very strong, probably QQ+ (maybe only KK, AA), so if he shoves, I should fold. But if I fold, that's exactly a 4bet-bluff on my side, what is terrible with QQ. If I call, I'm probably a big underdog. I really don't know, where is the fault in this thought prozess, I just thought, that it's safer play to call his 3bet.

Effective stacks are 150BB deep - as a generalisation I dont think that changes most players 4 bet 5 bet ranges all that much. I think you are marginally ahead of his range given it inclues some AK and some 1010-JJ. I think the difficulty in flatting is that you are guessing/set mining with a premium hand post flop, and you are a dead on a board with overcards. Better to take your chances and 4 bet get it in.

I think preflop is close, but I prefer a call. He's probably tighter than 8% here against utg. If you three bet it also looks really strong and you likely aren't getting called light.

Postflop I think this is ok. He doesn't look very aggro and it's a crummy card to barrel so I'm guessing it's for value. If he reads hands he shouldn't put you on much aIr. Seems week but until I see this guy barrel a bit I'd give him credit here.