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terp

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also, somewhat grunching here, since it's probably been addressed, but i do not like this preflop raise bvb. hand plays terribly if flatted and isn't a great one to 4b bluff outside of the K blocker. there are many, many better hands you could choose to open before K8o against a guy folding this often.

Posted 9 months ago

improva

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What about Zoom, considering the auto fold feature?



You should play slightly fewer hands and completing the SB is less relevant. I would be surprised if it turns out that fast folding hands from Top 30% is good.

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urb

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Open completing strikes me as being a poor strategy, especially using linear ranges like so. He can simply start raising over our limps, which would make our life like hell. He can simply use polarized raising ranges, and he'd basically have an advantage at every point. It could be good to complete, just to observe how he's going to respond, but overall, it seems quite bad. It not HU where the SB has position.


Strategy in poker is a game of rock, paper, scissors. There is no good or bad strategy in vacuum (maybe except playing 90/0 passive game). That's the beauty of poker.

So I wouldn't say open completing is poor strategy without trying it out in different circumstances. It may actually be better than 3x from SB and getting crushed by aggro-dude on your left.

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improva

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Strategy in poker is a game of rock, paper, scissors. There is no good or bad strategy in vacuum (maybe except playing 90/0 passive game). That's the beauty of poker.



I don't think Rock-paper-scissors has much in common with Poker strategy.

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urb

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I don't think Rock-paper-scissors has much in common with Poker strategy.


Maybe not the most sophisticated example, but I think the fact that you have to constantly adjust and readjust your play based on the way your opponents are playing brings a little similarity.

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urb

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I would also say that poker is a little like chess, a little like bridge and completely different then those games at the same time.

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omnimirage

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Villain's best strategy when we complete the SB is to raise the hands he wants to play big pots with (top 40% or so) and take a free flop with the rest of his range. Remember we are not playing 100% of SBs.




I don't understand why the equilibrium would be him raising a linear range, surely it'd be polarized, no? It's not as if we can c/c often preflop with a medium strengthed range like that.

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improva

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I don't understand why the equilibrium would be him raising a linear range, surely it'd be polarized, no? It's not as if we can c/c often preflop with a medium strengthed range like that.



Unless we are folding with too high a frequency (which we aren't since we are never folding) it would be mistake of him to use a non-linear range.

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omnimirage

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Unless we are folding with too high a frequency (which we aren't since we are never folding) it would be mistake of him to use a non-linear range.



But than if we complete with the hands in the 20-40% range, than he can exploit us massively by raising the top 30% of hands.

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shuttle

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But than if we complete with the hands in the 20-40% range, than he can exploit us massively by raising the top 30% of hands.


so what does he do with the other 70% in this case?

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omnimirage

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so what does he do with the other 70% in this case?



Check, and give us all sorts of strife IP with his 42% equity.

Posted 9 months ago

improva

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Check, and give us all sorts of strife IP with his 42% equity.



I don't think we ever claimed that we could negate the positional advantage.

But this is the best approach vs a player that does not fold too frequently and does not 3bet us a ton.
Remember if he is very seldom folding what would we gain by raising?

All that said against vs most players it is better to just raise. I should be the fist to admit that since I steal 60% from the SB.

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