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25nl AKo vs min4b - 5b or flat ip ?

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Donkalycious

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so villain opens/4b UTG (villain 44/13 only 32 hands)
so he min 4b so i decided to call
i was planning to play verry fit or fold because a villain opening/4b UTG has like a super super strong range right ?
so i totaly whiff the flop and decide to fold vs his potsize bet

do you guys think 5b is ever +ev here (i think there only gonna continue with KK+)
do you guys ever fold ? close to impossible given the odds and the fact we are IP right ?
i sometimes flat AKo here ip but vs a 44/13 i really couldnt

any thoughts ?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): $25.00
SB: $21.25
BB: $27.83
UTG: $23.71
MP: $15.51
CO: $25.00

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has AClub KHeart

UTG raises to $0.50, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, fold, fold, UTG raises to $2.50, Hero calls $1.00

Flop: ($5.35, 2 players) 5Diamond 6Spade 9Spade
UTG bets $5.00, fold

UTG wins $5.11

Posted 10 months ago

Donkalycious

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SpewKid

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There are definitely fish that will min4bet worse hands, but until you've seen him do this a couple of times, I would play it the same.

Posted 9 months ago

ejplecht

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really depends if you got him as bad passive or bad aggro.

without a clue, I don't like to 5bet since fish are more likely to be passive - 4bets=nuts. defenitely a call though, fish are likely to lowcbet everything and we can float a lot, folding most turns if not hit.

his cbet size is nuts only.

+You gotta make a bigger 3bet pre!!!

Posted 9 months ago

Dr No

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If you are not getting it in pre, then your 3bet is essentially a bluff. 44/13 means he only open raises strong hands. So if you are not going to get it in, or know you will be getting it in behind his range, then you should just flat his open.

Although he did minraise, which means if you flat the blinds might come along, which you don't want either with AKo.

Posted 9 months ago

Rain

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If you are not getting it in pre, then your 3bet is essentially a bluf


This isnt true, he can deffo call with worse, our 3b is for value.

OP I think you played it fine, 3b bigger though ~ 9-10bbs

Posted 9 months ago

Donkalycious

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really depends if you got him as bad passive or bad aggro.

without a clue, I don't like to 5bet since fish are more likely to be passive - 4bets=nuts. defenitely a call though, fish are likely to lowcbet everything and we can float a lot, folding most turns if not hit.

his cbet size is nuts only.

+You gotta make a bigger 3bet pre!!!


you dont like 3x IP ?

Posted 9 months ago

Donkalycious

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If you are not getting it in pre, then your 3bet is essentially a bluff. 44/13 means he only open raises strong hands. So if you are not going to get it in, or know you will be getting it in behind his range, then you should just flat his open.

Although he did minraise, which means if you flat the blinds might come along, which you don't want either with AKo.


that (imo) is bullcrap...
if villain is loose passive (fish) then his calling range is pretty wide and AK is a 3b for value.
if his 4b range is KK+ then 3b and folding is a great move for value and def not a bluff !!!

Posted 9 months ago

ejplecht

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you dont like 3x IP ?



3x IP is fine when your 3betting range is balanced. In this spot viillain seems to be fishy, so your range shifts bigtime to valuebets - fish don't care if they call another 4bb or 7bb. Those are the sports where you make easy money. Not only cause of the additional 3bb pre but think about streetprojection and betsizing. You suddenly stack him on the river instead of only getting something like 60bb quite often!

Posted 9 months ago




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