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So pre i decide to iso because he is a limping fish and A9 crushes his range.
im interested to know what you guys think about it becaus im in the MP, i still have CO BTN SB BB left to act behind me so A9o wouldnt be a standard open for me in the MP but in this spot i decide to iso.
should we be isoing thighter then we would standard open or looser ?

Anwayz, fish ck/r my tptk and i couldnt think of anything else i could do other then jam.
i mean if he has a hand like 9x he is gonna stack of, all flushdraws and some straightdraws might stack off. He isnt super passive (he did raised 5/17 hands preflop) so i find it hard to put him on an overpair, so only thing im gonna be crushed against is : TT 66 33 maybe 69s... (not even sure that is in his range)

i hate calling because i have no clue what to do on a 2 5 7 T 6 or a club
and i hate folding in this spot because there is no evidence of A9 being bad here...

villain is 77/23 (22 hands) -> no reads on him...

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $10.71
SB: $26.86
BB: $27.45
UTG: $22.89
Hero (MP): $27.20
CO: $31.23

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has A 9

UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.85, UTG calls $0.85

Flop: ($3.40, 3 players) 3 6 9
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.25, fold, UTG raises to $6.90, Hero raises to $23.95

nobody wants to touch this one ?

i generally don't stack off here w/o the read that he's playing Q9, etc, this way and calling all in.

I'd just flat and evaluate. I don't expect fish to 3brl bluff you here. My default is that anyone who with a VPIP of 77% is going to be loose passive post-flop. I'm calling once and evaluating turn sizing/line.

If you call flop, then there is $17 pot and $14 effective stacks, so villains bet sizing and our further decisions are very limited.
I think this is a very close spot having no information on very loose villain. If he is aggro-monkey you could have up to 60% equity vs his range. But if he is passive and raises only nuts and combo draws you could have less than 40%. That's why I would strongly consider folding. You have perfect position on him, so why risk stacking off now if you can wait for a better spot?

If folding seems to weak than consider his sizing which says: "I want all the money in now", so he is not folding. You need to be sure that he does it with Q9 or 88 to justify shoving instead off calling and reevaluating turn.

villain is 77/23 (22 hands) -> no reads on him...

this is weak. you NEED to get reads on players. 22 hands and those stats means he has played 17 hands. has he not shown anything about how he plays postflop in those hands? no, you just haven't tried hard enough to get information.

these players are free money once you get some info. pay attention even when not involved in hands.

this is weak

exactly what i needed to hear...
if this is the way you talk to your students...

anywayz, i know those players are free money and i should get reads asap
but its not because i got 17 hands on him that i should be able to read his soul...
only thing i remember from that player is that he got it all in for half a stack w AA -> not really worth mentioning as a read.

anywayz thanks for the comment capt obvious

he's done at least 17 things on the flop and probably more. he's probably shown how much he likes one-pair hands, whether he ever donk leads, and so on. you're looking for information after you see his holding, but you get some even if he never shows down a hand. has he ever c/r? is he passive, generally, so far? guys this loose give you a lot of info very quickly.

yes i agree, but its pretty hard to focus on 100% of the things that are happening at the tables.
And obv we should try to focus on all of that, and if we cant we should play less tables.
but still there are going to be things that we wont pick up.
and lets say villain donked a K27r flop and other villain folds. now we have a read that he donks dry Kh flops, but we have no clue with what hands, so how are we going to use this in the future ?
call his donk bets, raise his donkbets ? just fold ?
we dont know because we still have no clue what hand he does it with.
same thing with ck/r and so on.
ofc, if we notice him doing this A LOT, then that probably means he is doing this more with air then for value, but still, in 17 hands this could be a wrong assumption aswell because of sample size.

I know we can get info out of peoples action without seeing a showdown, but not everything that happens is worth writing down right.. ?

like i said, i only remember seen him get it in w AA pre. I cant remember him showing down something that was worty of taking a note.
I mean, lets say he raise pre w AK and flop comes : KQx , he Cb, turn brings a 9 he barrels, river brings another J wich completes a flush,, now he ck behind.
is this worth mentioning ?
imo it isnt, because thats a pretty standard line for someone with a strong toppair, he bets 2 streets for value and shuts down on the river once the boards get to ugly to VB

i know i NEED to get reads on players, but sometimes there just isnt to much to learn from a player out of 17 hands if you havent seen him showdown anything

again, i totaly agree with your post above, but you really just cant see everything that is going on in game, esp if it arent big pots or showdowns