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AG

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iPoker - GBP0.10 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: G9.26
Hero (UTG): G12.00
MP: G36.31
CO: G11.58
BTN: G14.23
SB: G10.00

SB posts SB G0.05, BB posts BB G0.10

Pre Flop: (G0.15) Hero has KHeart THeart

Hero raises to G0.30, MP calls G0.30, fold, BTN calls G0.30, fold, fold

Flop: (G1.05, 3 players) TClub 8Heart 3Diamond
Hero bets G0.70, fold, BTN raises to G2.10, Hero calls G1.40

Turn: (G5.25, 2 players) AHeart
Hero checks, BTN bets G3.60, Hero calls G3.60

River: (G12.45, 2 players) 3Club
Hero checks, BTN bets G8.23, Hero calls G6.00

BTN plays 25/25 over 30 hands, but he was pretty active on postflop (however wasn't on SD).

MP is fish 68/15 over about 40 hands, but straight forward on postflop

Let's assume this spot being heads up, excepting that my cbetting is tighter. He really reps nothing but T8s and draws like GS and OESD. I expect him to 3b TT+ pre, and don't expect him to raise my cbet with hands like AT or sets (giving the board structure). Turn doesn't change the situation, because the Ace haven't anything with his range. River discounts some combinations of sets (if he has any). What do you think about my reasoning?

Posted 10 months ago

Slowjoe

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I think the range you are giving him may be too tight, depending on your response to a flop raise, turn and river aggression. If I think I can get you off a hand, I'll raise there.

I could certainly turn up with AJ/AQ on the turn. If the fish is fishy, I could be flatting with QQ-JJ as well, to keep him in the pot. Once he folds, I'd change gears.

Posted 10 months ago

Gizardpuke

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what do you think he's raising the flop with?
thats pretty dry. personally, i think you can fold the flop.

Posted 10 months ago

AG

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what do you think he's raising the flop with?



J9s, QJs, 67s, Q9s and only T8s that beats us. I just don't see any reason for raising this kind of flop

Posted 10 months ago

mwildjack

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You bet 3-way into the fish so you are very honest here. Therefore i dont see him bluffing often in this spot

Posted 10 months ago

Frank959

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You said yourself villain is pretty straight forward post flop....By calling the flop raise you basically have to call every street now with a pair of TTs if your hand doesn't improve....

Posted 10 months ago

Gizardpuke

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J9s, QJs, 67s, Q9s and only T8s that beats us. I just don't see any reason for raising this kind of flop



why would J9s, QJs, Q9s or 67s be raising that flop?

and wot about ATx, KTx, QTx, JTx, 33, 88, TT and JJ?
and i doubt that a draw is raising the flop, unless he's mega aggressive.

Posted 10 months ago

AG

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You said yourself villain is pretty straight forward post flop....


I said it about MP.

why would J9s, QJs, Q9s or 67s be raising that flop?


Beacuse he has been played agressively postflop during his last hands

and wot about ATx, KTx, QTx, JTx, 33, 88, TT and JJ?



He wouldn't raise with premium hands because he reps pretty much nothing this way and my calling range going to be very narrow, as he thinks. We don't have any history where I called him that light. Considering this raising QT or JT doesn't make any sense because that's turning value hand into bluff

Posted 10 months ago

SCS

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BTN plays 25/25 over 30 hands, but he was pretty active on postflop (however wasn't on SD).



I don't think you should come to the conclusion that villain is bluff raising the flop here based on that information.

Posted 10 months ago

frenji

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We have no history and no specific reads on villain. We raise UTG and cbet into two and he raises... I fold and feel pretty good about it. It's not like he saw what i folded and gonna take advantage later on. I assume his ratio of value raises to bluff raises is something like 10:1 so folding every single time seems optimal than trying to bluffcatch that one time he bluff raises (and has equity with his bluffs so we might lose that time too). That's untill we have some solid reads though. Then we can adjust.

Posted 10 months ago

AG

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Thanks for replying guys, his holding on SD forced me to doubt about the way the hand was played, because he showed J8s - a hand I never suppose him to have. But now I see that x/calling down was too marginal and this particular hand could be just exception of the rule, 1 bluff hand of 11 value ones.

Posted 10 months ago




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