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elcholodeamor

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Here is a hand where I believe I made a variety of mistakes that either could elucidate some points for the community at large, and potentially be a wake up call for me only able to play ABC with multiple players in the pot. This is .04NL but the players in the pot aren't terrible. Perhaps table selection skills would better serve me too because everyone else at this table is 27/24 and 22/18 and 16/13. I believe I left soon after this hand once I realized there were no fish to play with.

Merge Network $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1841289
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BTN: $4.72
Hero (SB): $4.64
BB: $4.74
UTG: $4.05
CO: $3.45


BTN is 25/18 over 64 hands, 8.0 AF
BB is 21/15 over 64 with 2.0 AF

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is SB with T Spade T Diamond
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.12, Hero calls $0.10, BB calls $0.08

Now when I look at this hand in the replayer it seems like an obvious 3bet vs his btn range but I seem to play TT just like 22, especially in a 3 way pot. I fear that the only hands that call a 3bet worse than TT are still just coin flips so I want to see a flopped set or an over pair before I put more money in. Someone explain to me why I am an idiot here and just play passively and call,because I can't seem to find the rational for it.

Flop: ($0.36) 4 Heart 9 Club A Diamond (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $0.25, Hero folds, BB folds

Now, as played I defer to the pfr with initiative to the completely standard cbet on this dry flop with a player with a wide range and just fold because OMG there is another to act behind me and I don't want to get stuck between a raising war and have to fold my flop call or raise. But again, this seems weak to play my TT like this. What is a better strategy against these opponents?

Final Pot: $0.36
BTN wins $0.10
BTN wins $0.25
(Rake: $0.01)

Posted 10 months ago

bull market

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Joined 08/2010

Hi, as you mention BTs range is wide by default and you want to pounce and not let him steal your blind so re-raising the tens in this spot is a good bet. Just like him betting out in position on the ace is good b/c you look super-weak when you check here with two players behind and even vaguely cognisant players are going to recognize that.

Just making your range look stronger than his allows you to to play hands more aggro and pick up more pots effectively. Think about often you bink this particular pot if you re-raise pre-flop and just fire on this board knowing that he is going to have AK almost never and you just have it a bunch. It's cool.

That said playing out of position is just super-tricky ofc. and you're going to have to go beyond being a total stats-monkey (not saying you are) and really develop good post-flop reads. Is BT a thinking player? Does he recognise goods spots to barrel? If so peeling here is really somewhat gross and you have to recognize that you are going to lose the hand a lot on the river.

As played I'd def. peel once and hope he lets you check it down vs. his air which would be a disastrous play from his point of view but a mistake that a lot of regs at these stakes tend to make (which is also why I would fold to a bunch of turn bets). I know some people like to check/raise in these situations but I don't really see the logic.

Also, I think it's pretty awesome to play vs. regs a fair bit since it's much better for your development as a player than just hunting down the clowns. I think there is still money to be made from them as long as you remember that they are mostly going to play their hands extremely face-up. GL.

Posted 10 months ago

Gizardpuke

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dont think you have TT and if he bets he's got an Ax hand, as thats not his entire range. otherwise you might as well just fold TT OOP. which is weak. you can easily call that flop based on pure pot odds (real and implied). that would make the pot 0.86c. if he bets 0.55c, then we need to have 40% equity to call. which, after reasigning ranges, we might still have.

and if thats not the case, then pot odds are a go. effective stack sizes are 4.64 (ie yours as its the smaller). you'd have about $4 remaining, and a call then would be about 8 or 9 to 1. which is pretty close. no implied, as your about the same stack sizes.

i feel that you can easily c/c the flop. and if the turn card is favorable, as with his adjusted range and pot odds, you can c/c the turn as well, and still get away from the hand if required on the river.

remember, a BTNs PFR is the widing open spot in the game.

Posted 10 months ago

elcholodeamor

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Thanks for your input guys! I needed a reality check. My play often diverges from my theoretical understanding of the game. That a whole other problem in itself. Playing 2 tables at once is about max I can play without being force to make decision without having enough time to think them through. Just need more hands, I guess. Experience will make those harder decisions easier to recognize and act.

Posted 10 months ago

Slowjoe

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First, I don't hate the fold. It's likely to be expensive to get to showdown. Villain has a high AggF (although I prefer to go by Agg%). Also, the BB is an additional factor. If the BB springs to life, you are definitely not ahead.

I have a couple of suggestions for you.

1. Grab the demo of flopzilla, and play with it. If villain has 18% opening range on the button, he has TP or better 28% of the time. If he has 28% opening range, he has TP or better 29.1%
2. Figure out how you want to beat each player. This guy is hyper aggro, so you want him to bluff off a stack. An underpair OOP is probably not the hand for it to happen on, especially as you have position on him. Since an underpair is what TT will often turn into, 3betting is probably smart.
3. Think "big hand big pot". TT on this flop is not a big hand, and villain is threatening to jump over the cliff. It's fine to fold under those circumstances.

Posted 10 months ago

Adriano85

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xsAir

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This is a crappy flop to play oop. I think looking at villain's bet vs missed cbet ip stat could give you some clues. This is a pretty good board for bluffing, if he is the bluffing type. If you 3bet, a donk barrel on the turn is pretty much mandatory as you are going to have to represent the ace. At micros you need a pretty solid read on an opponent to assume that they would recognize a dry board, realize it is a good bluffing spot, and figure that they can fold out a better hand -- more often they look at their cards, they see an ace, and they think they have the nuts and bet.

Also if you were intent on playing this hand, I think a half pot donk bet on the flop is a much cheaper way to fold out none aces, then a C/R. I think a 1/2 pot donk bet would could be good some of the time. Another option rather then a C/R would be to call and then donk the turn... it would probably have the same effect as a C/R, donk, and would cost you less.

I'm not pro so take this with a grain of salt...

Posted 10 months ago




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