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Hero (UTG): $26.82
CO: $25.00
BTN: $37.93
SB: $48.10
BB: $31.74

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $0.75, 3 folds, BB raises to $2.50, Hero calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.10) 7 2 3 (2 players)
BB bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

Turn: ($12.10) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($12.10) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $5.78, Hero calls $5.78

Villain seems nitty over around 50 hands he's playing 11 with 12% 3bet.

Pre:
I think calling is pretty standard against this guy, he seems nitty so I dont think we can get much value by 4b.

Flop:
I elect to call to keep in any of his air, I think he could be cbetting a lot of his AK,AQ type hands in a 3b pot as well as all his PPs.

Turn:
When he checks I think I can take all his aces out of his range, I see no reason he wouldnt bet these in a 3b pot. So I weigh his range as something like: TT,JJ,QQ,KK, as well as occasionally KQ. I elected to check behind as I think if I bet the turn and river he folds a lot of the hands I'm looking to get value from. However if we check I figured he would be almost his entire range on the river.

River:
I elected to call as I think he folds a lot the hands we get value from if we raise.

So yeah, do you guys prefer a bet on the turn as opposed to a check? or even a raise otr.

Cheers

12% 3b so far and we're not 4b/gettting it in with QQ here? Am I missing something? I mean I know it's a small/almost irrelevant sample, but still...

12% 3b so far and we're not 4b/gettting it in with QQ here? Am I missing something? I mean I know it's a small/almost irrelevant sample, but still...

Ahh maybe youre right here, we have like at least 40% v his stacking off range, and with the dead money from when he folds I think stacking off pre is best.
I think i was just paying attention to his VPIP/PFR and confused myself. Cheers

Bet on turn??? Why? I cant see him calling with worse hands so no value. Protection? (what are we protecting against? 2 or 3 outs?). As a bluff? dont think he folds better hands :]] So clear check on T and try to get to showdown. River is more of a fold then a raise to me, given unknown villain range for 3betting UTG open.(tell me a few hands the bets river with that you can beat).

(tell me a few hands the bets river with that you can beat).

JJ, and sometimes TT I guess. I think calling is best too

JJ, and sometimes TT I guess. I think calling is best too

If you think villain has those in his preflop 3betting range then 4b/call is the right play. I am assuming no one 3bet folds TT JJ.

If you think villain has those in his preflop 3betting range then 4b/call is the right play. I am assuming no one 3bet folds TT JJ.

Agree. Getting it in pre is best.

There no way we can assign a 3bet range after 50 hands?

As played the river call might be good some of the time, draws missed so its Ax or nothing probably but we should make notes on what his bet sizing means. He probably has a lot of Ax in his 3betting range. Personally I would fold (I hope!)

I think you should x/r flop some of the time

Sample is WAY too small to take into acount as to wheter 4bet call is better then flat or not. Also, even if villain has 11% 3bet over all it does not necessarily say that 4bet call is better then flat. I mostly don't have a 4bet range vs regs unless there are other people in the pot, since 4bet call AK and JJ is somewhat thin against most regs 3bet/5bet range vs utg, and also playing AQ and JJ-88 would suck balls if that was our enitire range flatting his 3bet. So I mostly flat 88-AA, AK, AQ, and that allows me to also flat some more speculative hands vs regs who 3bet more.
Simply put, 11% 3bet means its possible he only 3bet calls QQ+ AK vs utg but resteals a lot and bluffs some vs UTG, which would still mean that flating pre is mostly better, since we just flip vs his stack off range.

mostly better, since we just flip vs his stack off range.

Why we ever 4bet/call AK then?

I don't say ever, most certainly in late pos. when AQ or worse might ship, and also in other spots where we want to 4bet bluff often. Just saying, that against someone, 3beting JJ + AK and bluffs from blinds vs UTG, flating is more +ev.

12% 3b over 50 hands means he`s 3b 6 times already.True it`s a small sample and he might be picking up hands, but more likely this guy just loves 3 betting and taking it down pre flop.
4b or raise this flop.
Fold the river.

[quote]12% 3b over 50 hands means he`s 3b 6 times already.

IMO above is not correct? It can be that he 3betted once in 8 opportunities. Correct me if I am wrong.

IMO above is not correct? It can be that he 3betted once in 8 opportunities. Correct me if I am wrong.

You`re wrong.
50/100=0.5
0.5*12=6

You`re wrong.
50/100=0.5
0.5*12=6

Miscommunication here.

We have 50 hands on villain so 12% 3bet means he could 3bet 1/8. We don't have 50 3bet possibilities on him were he did 3bet 12% which would be 6 hands out of 50. You both use a different interpretation of 50 hands.