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betman313

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Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1825246
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BTN: $8.20
SB: $16.62
BB: $12.48
Hero (UTG): $19.84
MP: $10.00
CO: $29.96

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with A Spade A Heart
Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 8 Heart 3 Heart 7 Heart (2 players)
Hero bets $0.54, BTN raises to $1.08, Hero calls $0.54

Turn: ($2.91) 7 Diamond (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

River: ($4.11) 3 Club (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6.22 all in, Hero???


Villain 33/0 after 3 hands

the minraise on the flop can mean a lot. he can have twopair or better but also single pair type hands, draws or sometimes air but not that likely. so i think calling flop with the nutflushdraw is fine here.

the turn card is good for me because it reduces his twopair/boat combinations. and his betsize looks more like he has some sort of draw or top pair type hand. actually i think i should have raise/folded the turn vs this betsize. calling is probably ok too but i think raising is better.
what do you think?

river was pretty weird. normally i have experienced when recreational players bet small on the turn and then big on the river its often some sort of busted draw. but haven't seen them overbetting like that very often. still i was kinda tempted to call because his line did not really make a lot of sense to me.
what would you put him on? would you call or fold the river?

Posted 11 months ago

HogIsMad

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Get it in as early as possible. You are never that far behind and he might call you with worse. The thing is you can never win at guessing games, so don't play a guessing game.

Posted 11 months ago

Jonnolimit

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hmm, i would get it in on flop you have an over pair with the nut flush draw...

Posted 11 months ago

Frank959

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On the flop, the min-raise could mean he has a set, a pair plus flush draw, or broadway cards with a flush draw. The turn bet is very strange, it's possible that villain didn't make his draw so he didn't bet much, or maybe he wants to keep you in the hand....On the river the all in does make me wonder whether or not he has a full house or a flush, the bad news is we lose to both.....The turn bet is what really puzzles me, if villain bet $2.25 or more on the turn I think I would fold this hand on the river......Due to the small sample size we don't know if this guy is a maniac.....

Posted 11 months ago

betman313

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if we had the info Villain is bad aggressive and would minraise something like pair+draw or just top pair and call a reraise or go broke i agree that getting it in on the flop is the best play.
but we don't really have that info and the majority of Villains is really passive at these stakes. so you often run into twopair+ when stacking off on this flop. we still have about 30-40% against his stacking off range but i doubt he will be bluffing the flop a lot so not much reason to get it in on the flop as an underdog with no foldequity.
we are getting a really good price on the flop with the nutflushdraw and our pair is pretty invulnerable as well in case he has 2 overs and we see how he continues and may get some more information about his hand strenght and i doubt he will be able to get away from a flush when we hit a lot of the time.
turn was really tempting to raise but it would suck really hard if he reraised us.
river is really weird i haven't called off such bets a lot so not really know what he is doing it with but i doubt he will be bluffing a lot here.
maybe he had just something like 7xKh or 88/87 that wanted to keep me in the pot on the turn/induce a raise.

Posted 11 months ago

terp

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those who want to play this hand fast because we have equity are making a fundamental error in their poker progression. to maximize in any spot, we need to do what we can to evaluate others' ranges. simply playing our own hand makes no sense. you do not calculate inducing the most mistakes by deciding to ignore your opponent's range.

first, 33/0 over three hands isn't worth anything. just call such a player an unknown. more useful here in terms of profiling is a <100bb stack and what kind of screen name or avatar the player has (i'm being serious). i'd treat this player as a fish, and i'd feel more confident when he minraised the flop.

a minraise here can really span the gamut. many fish will do it with as little as a random PP <7x to 'protect.' others are very bluff heavy. others are strong. how do we proceed then? well, we treat these opponents as something of a collage until we learn more. the people who minraise pairs are not folding them to a small 3b. the people who have strong hands are certainly not folding these (and we have good equity anyway). the people who are playing TT or something like this are not folding that either.

the benefit of 3b is we increase the money he puts in with the worse parts of his range (which we beat) while still losing the same v the strongest. the problem with calling is we mostly let him play his weakest hands carefully while stacking us with his nutty hands. it is more likely he stacks off with worse than bluffs off with air. further, we have the Ah, which could be a good bit of his bluffing range.

Posted 11 months ago




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