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Noreaga

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1) First hand, we are 260bb deep, so i am unsure is there`s another/better way of playing this hand vs this particular oponnent.

Villain is playing 23/16, 3b/4b 0, over 71 hands but i don`t remember playing a single hand against him, although notecady has notes of him calling 2b from the blinds with A8s, Qjo.

After i 3b him, he insta 4b pot, and as you see he hasn`t 4b once over 71 hands.Small sample for sure, but maybe someting to be taken into consideration?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $10.22
SB: $42.97
Hero (BB): $25.95
UTG: $12.23
MP: $10.00
CO: $20.33

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has KClub KDiamond

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, fold, Hero raises to $1.30, CO raises to $3.30, fold, Hero raises to $10.60, CO raises to $20.33 and is all-in, Hero calls $9.73

Flop: ($41.01, 2 players) 8Heart QClub 7Spade

Turn: ($41.01, 2 players) 7Diamond

River: ($41.01, 2 players) 6Club



2) Next hand.
This villain is playing 6/6 over 36 hands and is from Russia.We can safely asume he`s prolly a huge nit, despite the super small sample.
And what do huge nits do when they flop the joint?
Slwoplay!!!

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $4.65
SB: $14.90
Hero (BB): $13.88
UTG: $10.00
MP: $13.03
CO: $10.37

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 5Club 5Heart

UTG raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) AHeart 6Heart 6Diamond
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($0.65, 2 players) 3Diamond
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($0.65, 2 players) 5Spade
Hero bets $0.33, UTG raises to $9.70 and is all-in, fold

Thoughts?

Posted 11 months ago

kReATivE

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Hand 1 I can't see folding KK without a very specific read. If he had AA or QQ, so be it.

Hand 2 I can't see folding either. Do you really think he checks back AA twice?

Posted 11 months ago

Noreaga

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Hand 1 I can't see folding KK without a very specific read. If he had AA or QQ, so be it.


My toughts exactly.

Hand 2 I can't see folding either. Do you really think he checks back AA twice?


100%.
They will also check it once on a super draw heavy board.And if you catch a flush or a str8, and the board doesn`t pair, you`re stacking them 100% if you`re not too deep.
I have seen this play from a mile away.
Overbet shove on the river from a Russian playing 6/6 openning Utg - Only the nuts.

Posted 11 months ago

kReATivE

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Basing a play on stats over a 36 hand sample is pretty bad. Would he play 33 the same way? What about AK or AQ?

Posted 11 months ago

Noreaga

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Basing a play on stats over a 36 hand sample is pretty bad. Would he play 33 the same way? What about AK or AQ?


Ak/Aq-Impossible.
Pocket 3`s-Possible but not likely, i even think he doesn`t open 3`s utg.
Not basing a play only on stats, but on a particular player type that makes these plays over and over.

Posted 11 months ago

kReATivE

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I just don't know how you classify a player simply on 36 hands where he could simply be card dead. However, I guess I could be rusty. I snap call this all day and if I lose, I make a note.

I just don't see the point in calling pre if you're going to fold when you actually hit your hand. Also, why do you bet the river if you only think he's proceeding with the nuts? (obviously extreme, but...)

Posted 11 months ago

BoxOhLuck

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Hand 2 FOLD

lol I did almost the exact same thing to some guy the other day. I did it with quads though and I think he hit his 5 on the river too with 55 lol

Just not logical for people to do this with anything but the nuts, AK/AQ get much more value betting, 33 if he opens it likely bets, KK/QQ don't go all-in on the river so what are we left with? The nuts praying you hit something, actually he probably even bets quads here so just AA.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

BB: $28.34 (113.4 bb)
MP: $26.80 (107.2 bb)
Hero (CO): $25 (100 bb)
BTN: $14.11 (56.4 bb)
SB: $40.58 (162.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with ADiamond AClub
MP folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.85) AHeart ASpade 9Heart (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.85) 2Diamond (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($1.85) 5Club (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.25, Hero raises to $13.50, BTN calls $11.11 and is all-in

Results: $28.57 pot ($1.29 rake)
Final Board: AHeart ASpade 9Heart 2Diamond 5Club
Hero showed ADiamond AClub and won $27.28 ($13.17 net)
BTN showed 5Heart 5Diamond and lost (-$14.11 net)

Posted 11 months ago

Noreaga

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Hand 2 FOLD

lol I did almost the exact same thing to some guy the other day. I did it with quads though and I think he hit his 5 on the river too with 55 lol

Just not logical for people to do this with anything but the nuts, AK/AQ get much more value betting, 33 if he opens it likely bets, KK/QQ don't go all-in on the river so what are we left with? The nuts praying you hit something, actually he probably even bets quads here so just AA.



Yessir.
Nh, btw are you Russian Smile?

@kReATivE Let`s look at the math side of it.
If we assume he only does this with : AA,66,33 Out equity is 42%.
If the pot is 1$ and he bets 10$, we need to call 10$ to win 11$.
11*0.42 =4.62
So we win 4.62 on awerage when making this call-Not profitable over a long run.
Plus like Box said, it really doesn`t make sense for him to be doing it with anything less then the nuts.We are basically praying that he`s a fish that will do it with Ax or pocket 3`s, which is not very likely given even the sample as small as that, and his nationlity-the mighty Russian.
"Russians don`t gamble, they grind it out".
But they also miss out on a ton of value at the micros.

Posted 11 months ago

kReATivE

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Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

BB: $28.34 (113.4 bb)
MP: $26.80 (107.2 bb)
Hero (CO): $25 (100 bb)
BTN: $14.11 (56.4 bb)
SB: $40.58 (162.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with ADiamond AClub
MP folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.85) AHeart ASpade 9Heart (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.85) 2Diamond (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($1.85) 5Club (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.25, Hero raises to $13.50, BTN calls $11.11 and is all-in

Results: $28.57 pot ($1.29 rake)
Final Board: AHeart ASpade 9Heart 2Diamond 5Club
Hero showed ADiamond AClub and won $27.28 ($13.17 net)
BTN showed 5Heart 5Diamond and lost (-$14.11 net)



Nothing personal, but I don't like the way this hand is played.

Posted 11 months ago

BoxOhLuck

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@Noreaga
I'm Canadaian lol, and don't mistaken all the Russians for nits there are plenty of aggro fish from Russia Smile

@Kreative
How would you play it?

I hate these spots, not quite sure how to get max value. Cause he can't have anything and he had like mid 60 something fold to cbet so I think he's folding a ton on the flop and he was a pretty big fish so I wasn't overly concerned about turning my hand face up when I raise at some point after checking back because he probably wouldn't recognize I never have anything but the nuts. I think we can usually only get one street of value with hands like this, I thought I could get it on turn or river but after he doesn't put in a bet himself on the turn I should bet the river because he's liable to raise himself with anything that will call a ck/r all-in and he may find a K-high call or smth. I don't like the river ck/r after thinking about it.

If he was a nittyish reg I'm probably betting flop. And vs an aggresive reg it could go either way on flop.

Posted 11 months ago

Krankie72

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I just don't know how you classify a player simply on 36 hands where he could simply be card dead. However, I guess I could be rusty. I snap call this all day and if I lose, I make a note.

I just don't see the point in calling pre if you're going to fold when you actually hit your hand. Also, why do you bet the river if you only think he's proceeding with the nuts? (obviously extreme, but...)


+1

Posted 11 months ago

Langerz

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I'd have to have a super solid read to fold either of those hands. Doesn't look like you have one on either villain.

Posted 11 months ago

xsAir

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I think call. I think if the villain had a hand he would have bet. He probably has a single ace. Would he really play a 6 utg? Only hand he could have that has you beat is exactly AA. But then again what hand ranges is he expecting youb to call with? If you think he's smart enough to ask himself that last question it is a clear fold otherwise a clear call.

Without any reads it could even come down to his username or checking how many tables he is on.

Posted 11 months ago




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