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Bajavi

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Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1820802
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CO: $5.72
BTN: $6.05
SB: $12.71
Hero (BB): $8.56
UTG: $5.89

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with Q Heart K Spade
UTG raises to $0.15, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.45, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.92) 6 Club 6 Heart K Heart (2 players)
Hero bets $0.65, UTG calls $0.65

Turn: ($2.22) T Club (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.15, Hero calls $1.15

River: ($4.52) 8 Heart (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3.64 all in, Hero calls $3.64

Final Pot: $11.80
Hero mucks Q Heart K Spade
UTG shows T Diamond T Heart (a full house, Tens full of Sixes)
UTG wins $11.31
(Rake: $0.49)


- I found this a very tough spot. I never assumed he would have tens, why does he call on the flop? Makes no sense at all, which is why I didn't assume he would have a set of tens.

- The heart on the river also raises question. Why would one bet on the turn when he/she has a flushdraw? In my though process this also means he wouldn't have a flush on the river, giving me more reason to go all-in on the river.

- The other thing that went thrue my mind was if he had a six. Which in my thought process again is highly unlikely cause who would raise with a combination of a six in early position and then call a 3bet. I understand the raise of pocket pair sixes, not the cold call.

- AK might have been the only hand in my mind which could have beaten me. The opponent is a nit (12/9 on 90 hands). Which makes it more likely he wouldn't 4bet me with those cards, and since he's in position his cold call makes more sense.

So did I miss something/was I wrong in my hand-reading, and do you think my hand-reading is already better or about the same as the average NL5 player on PokerStars?

Thanks a lot for helping, I'm new here by the way! Smile

Posted 11 months ago

Deets

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Is this 3bet bluff or value bet pre?

Posted 11 months ago

Noreaga

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Why do you 3b a 12/9 nit, opening utg with KQo?
Easy fold on the river.

Posted 11 months ago

Bajavi

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Is this 3bet bluff or value bet pre?



value, but now that I see Noreaga's comment, I see my preflop mistake. Didn't pay attention at his stats before raising.

Posted 11 months ago

Bajavi

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Why do you 3b a 12/9 nit, opening utg with KQo?
Easy fold on the river.



Why is this an easy fold on the river?

Posted 11 months ago

Noreaga

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Why is this an easy fold on the river?


You only beat a bluff.Let`s give him a range to make it more simple for u to understand.

66+,ATs+,KJs+,QJs,AJo+

That`s his opening range, but his range for calling 3bets oop is even tighter:

99+,AQs+,AKo, maybe even only 10`s+

Assuming he always 4b QQ+ Oop, the hands that continue on that flop:

Ak, Aqs, 9`s/JJ

Hands that bet the turn:Ak, 10/JJ, maybe Aqs if he wants to draw to his flush for cheap.He might be even checking jacks.

River=Dead imo when he shoves.He only shoves Ak, 10`s here or a nut flush.

I might be a little off here and there, haven`t played 5NL in while, but I`m basing my analysis on a standard Weak/Tight nit.

Posted 11 months ago

Bajavi

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Thanks for the information, didn't think about it like that yet.

Posted 11 months ago

ninjacut

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What does he bet on the turn that you beat and call the bet?

Posted 11 months ago

Deets

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value, but now that I see Noreaga's comment, I see my preflop mistake. Didn't pay attention at his stats before raising.


It would have to be a really wide UTG range for this to be a value 3bet.

Posted 11 months ago

pokergarden

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You are strictly bluff catching here, and nits usually aren't bluffing.

Posted 11 months ago

kReATivE

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Hands that bet the turn:Ak, 10/JJ, maybe Aqs if he wants to draw to his flush for cheap.He might be even checking jacks.



I think hands that bet this turn are TT, AK, AHeartT/JHeart, 66 and an occasionally slow played KK/AA. I don't think a TAG/nit value bets JJ or QQ here...especially at $5NL.

Personally, I fold this pre all day long vs a super tight UTG open. 3b is an option vs someone that folds a lot to 3bets or has a really wide opening range, but you're very rarely 3betting KQo for value. You would need pretty good reads on villain's 3bet calling range first.

As played, this is a pretty straight forward bet/fold spot on the turn. If called, I probably just x/f on the river.

Posted 11 months ago

Frank959

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Against a nit who raises you all in on the river, villain probably means business here....I highly doubt this is a bluff. In all honesty I'm folding this hand pre-flop...KQ is not a good enough hand to play OOP against a very tight player who has a very narrow UTG opening range. We could be easily dominated here by AK, AQ, QQ....It is not profitable to call bets from very tight players OOP with hands that might not even be good....

Posted 11 months ago




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