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cheapskate8

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UTG poster is 53/14 so it is an obvious iso raise.

SB 54/39 flop agg% is inf, turn and riv are 0.00. call open 27% he has folded to cbet 1/1 32 hands
Note: Checked turn with turned trips after flop checked through. passive postflop expecting me to bluff

BB he posted last hand called a riase and folded post. this is his second hand and obviously a weak player.

Pacific $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1819939
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BTN: $59.45
SB: $47.24
BB: $17.76
UTG: $50.00
Hero (CO): $51.05

UTG posts a big blind ($0.50)

Pre Flop: ($1.25) Hero is CO with 9 Heart A Club
UTG raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, SB calls $3.25, BB calls $3, UTG calls $2.50

Flop: ($14.00) 5 Heart 9 Spade 7 Spade (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $14.26, UTG folds, Hero ? SB still left to act

I give the BB a very wide range including all FD's SD's and pairs. We are well ahead of his range. However we need to consider SB with limited understanding of how he constructs his ranges.

Raise? why?
Call? What is the plan if you call? What range would you assign SB if he flats, shoves?
Fold?

Posted 11 months ago

uselink

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For me this is a very marginal spot. I would love to hear ppls oppenion here..

Is such a marginal spot i would fold i think. which notes on BB what he pots with!

Posted 11 months ago

Adriano85

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BB would never jam a set himself and given his stacksize I expect him to jam TT+ pre flop. This looks like a draw to me. We dont do great vs a flushdraw with overcards and with SB still in a lean towards a fold.

About your iso raise - looks like you raise because villain is a fish but he is opening pretty tight. He is not limping, he is raising with probably a tight range. Looks like you are isolating yourself vs only stronger hands.

Posted 11 months ago

pokergarden

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I don't like calling here because SB can easily shove anything with decent equity.

I think I like a min raise here as protection. It's just kind of gross then if SB shoves. Or if he just calls...

Maybe a fold is fine. You have TPTK but it's still only a pair of nines and you can't be doing that great against their combined ranges if SB continues. And the donk bet size of the BB makes everything super awkward.

So I've decided on a fold.

Posted 11 months ago

uselink

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I am not worried about SB's range.. we are ahead of the alot i would say! My problem is SB is still left to act.

Posted 11 months ago

pokergarden

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I am not worried about SB's range.. we are ahead of the alot i would say! My problem is SB is still left to act.



Well why do you care if he's left to act if you're not worried about his range?

Posted 11 months ago

uselink

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Well why do you care if he's left to act if you're not worried about his range?


sorry it was a typo! but looking at the hand more now, i actually think his range is stronger jeg first assummed..

I still still fold in this spot

Posted 11 months ago

thorben17

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Pre: as A9o has a poor playability, it's essentially a raise for dead money pickup (if he calls pre a lot and folds to cbets it's ok). However it's close and folding is perfectly fine too.

Postflop it's a really easy snapfold - you're totally crushed vs valuerange (he can certainly play sets, TT,JJ, QQ this way) and flip with draws. Remeber, that two players cold-flatted your 3bet preflop OOP - this indicates a pretty strong range.

Regards

Posted 11 months ago

cheapskate8

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About your iso raise - looks like you raise because villain is a fish but he is opening pretty tight. He is not limping, he is raising with probably a tight range. Looks like you are isolating yourself vs only stronger hands.


Good point, i think the fact that he posted the blind then minraise is the reason i iso'd. His range is much wider than a normal minraise utg. But still, its quite likely isoing a stronger range.

Im surprised some are giving BB a decent range. Your calling if SB was not in the hand right?

Posted 11 months ago

Adriano85

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I dont thinks BB has a monster here because I expect him to slowplay it more often then not. Looks like a kind of draw to me but we dont do fantastic vs some overcards combined with a fd. SB still in is not a disaster because he is never going to call with overcards. Only hands Im worried about are TT and JJ, they are definetly in his cold calling range. But those two players combined I like a fold.

Posted 11 months ago




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