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Unnecessarily big 4bet IMO, $2 would accomplish same thing.

I agree with this.. 2,50 is too big

Honestly your 4b is huge.

I know, usually about 2x the 3bet is enough for villain to fold his bluffs.

Thanks, you all have been a great help!

A8s, JJ, 89s

I highly doubt an unknown player is typically 3betting and THEN calling a 4bet OOP with this range (unless really deep and the guy is a solid player)

My instinct is to bet the flop or just give up even though you hit the turn. Betting the flop reps the nut portion of your range (and you can fold to a check-raise, which this guy might be going for). Bluff catching the turn will allow villain to play the river perfectly

Then you do that and go 4bet with a hand that flops more equity when you're almost never going to see a flop, have fun burning money your choice to be willfully ignorant I guess. You're just guaranteeing the you get the money in bad when he's trapping with AA, KK or happened to play JJ/QQ badly and you flop a draw. I'll say this one more time in hope it helps you. PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING AROUND FLATTING 4BETS OOP SO YOU ALMOST NEVER SEE A FLOP, THEY WILL JAM OR FOLD PRE ALMOST ALWAYS. AND SAY HE'S FOLDING TO 4BETS 50%, IF YOU 4BET IF WITH 87s THAT NUMBER IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE AND THAT "EQUITY" YOU'RE HARPING ON IS GOING TO GET JAMMED ON MORE OFTEN, WHEREAS IF YOU USE KTo YOU COULD GET THAT NUMBER TO JUMP TO LIKE 60% BECAUSE OF BLOCKERS TO HANDS I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED.

Do you realise how you are talking to people? Its a pretty poor attitude to have towards other people how's sole purpose of visiting and using this forum is to improve their game.

I never said I would use any connected hand, just a more connected hand, i.e. KJ or KQ, and preferably suited for the times that we do get flatted. Can you tell me why that is bad?? And why would you ever bluff raise an unknown? And what is the problem in flatting his 3-bet if we think we have an edge post flop assuming this guy is either a bad reg or aggro monkey?

just wondering how aggressive he looked. did he haunch his eyebrows and snarl??

just kidding.

with KTo, even though it's 23 hands, and he's 36/32, i'm inclined to fold to the 3bet PF.
look for a better spot, and a better hand to stack him.

23 hands isnt the amount i'm needing to 4bet someone in this spot.

Everything BoxOhLuck has said is pretty good advice.

4betting this big makes absolutely no sense, and you'll rarely see a flop here unless you call a shove preflop.

Also, if he's 3betting a ton, and making it only 0.85, just open a tighter range and start calling his 3bets and playing IP.

If he adjusts, he'll adjust by either NOT 3betting as much, or 3betting bigger. Both of which are good for you. If he 3bets bigger, then you can win more when you 4b bluff.

Do you realise how you are talking to people? Its a pretty poor attitude to have towards other people how's sole purpose of visiting and using this forum is to improve their game.

I never said I would use any connected hand, just a more connected hand, i.e. KJ or KQ, and preferably suited for the times that we do get flatted. Can you tell me why that is bad?? And why would you ever bluff raise an unknown? And what is the problem in flatting his 3-bet if we think we have an edge post flop assuming this guy is either a bad reg or aggro monkey?

I misunderstood you sorry, I was under the impression you were some stubborn fish that thought 4betting 97s or something was better and was only trying to help.

Quote me where I suggested 4betting unknowns. I probably never do it with this small of a sample but I don't think OP is too off base with his thinking because I have a lot of large samples on a lot of regs from NL5-50 and the majority of them who 3bet more than 8% fold to 4bets too often.

Now why not use KJs/KQs to 4bet bluff? Almost anybody I thought I could 4bet profitably I could better use KJs/KQs as a 3Bet defense hand and not waste it by turning into a bluff because I'm paranoid about people calling my 4bets. I'd much rather use KTo, KJo, KQo, QTo, QJo type hands to bluff.

Why not defend KTo?
"Defending this hand in 3bet pots will only be profitable against maniacal 3betters or people who are constantly one and done on the flop, there aren't very many maniacal 3betters at 10nl and we don't know that he is one and done yet. By flatting the 3bet you would be playing a bloated pot with a marginal hand you have it backwards my friend." +we have little to no info on him

"You don't like to 4bet here but you would like to call. What are you planning to do on the flop when you miss 2/3 times and he cbets? And half the time you hit a K or T you're in a terrible reverse implied odds situation because of all the KJ, KQ, AK, TT he can have."

Can't see why you'd rather defend KTo than KQ/KJs.