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Hi Folks,

Was playing 5c/10c and ran into this hand and was wondering how other people would play the hand after hitting quads on the river.

I'd only had ~ 60 hands against the villain who appeared to be a nit and was playing 11/6.

Is this an easy shove hoping he calls with Kings over 5's, or do I make a smaller bet for value and then shove if he comes over the top?

Any thoughts?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $11.83
Hero (UTG): $15.03
CO: $1.41
BTN: $26.87
SB: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 5 5

Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BTN calls $0.30, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) 5 8 K
Hero bets $0.36, BTN calls $0.36

Turn: ($1.47, 2 players) K
Hero bets $0.70, BTN calls $0.70

River: ($2.87, 2 players) 5

You should be betting a lot bigger on the flop and turn here. As played, I think I like betting around $1.60 or so OTR since he seems tight and probably has a decent amount of PP's (99-QQ). I'm not really worried about losing value vs. a K because I would expect most villains to raise/call with Kx here. Against someone who has a wider range, I might be tempted to go for a ch/r since they can have a lot more missed draws and they are also bet/calling a shove with Kx anyways.

My guess is it's more likely he has 88 (probably calling down vs. raising flop in 10nl),TT-QQ (more likely) (21 pp combos), compared to 8 combos of AK remaining. Not sure if KQ is in there, I would guess not (maybe KQs?). I would bet something like $1.70 for poss. call from TT-QQ, and 3 bet AI to a raise.

pause, ..., ..., pot.
if he's not got a K, he's going to fold no matter what.
but if he does have a K, get max value and go for pot. he might shove over the top and bingo!

1/2 pot to get a crying call from QQ-99, 8x.

It's between half potting and overbet shoving.

Shove

This is such a bad river to bluff on I don't think most people will call with an underpaid unless they think hero is retarded.

So, just go for max value from a king IMO.

Always shove, Kx never folds to a shove, and sometimes just call if you bet cause they think you won't call a raise without Kx yourself, and you aren't likely to get paid by worse than Kx even if you bet small, anyway. (Especially since we can easily have Kx, and villain seems nitty)

I disagree that most people won't call with two pairs. Weak players never think about it being a bad spot to bluff, they think, hey their is two pairs on board so it's unlikely they have anything, never fold 8+, 99-QQ, especially as you can have "missed flush draws".

The info is he is 11/6, this type of player is unlikely to call without Kx on the river, and I would even say rarely gets to the river without Kx (or 88), there are a few missed draws, but he probably rarely bluffs those if checked to. I guess check/jam could be better since Kx will bet everytime (and still call a shove) and some missed draws might bet at least a small % of the time..

So maybe c/shove > jam > bet normal > bet small
Bet small might be better than normal if you think he calls non Kx more often (and folds to normal) and also always raises Kx himself.

By normal I mean 2/3 or so

Disagree. You can't infer much at all from his preflop stats about his postflop call tendencies.

Players who are tight preflop are just as showdown bound once they see the flop as loose fish in my experience, especially as they usually have a showdownable hand and they don't like not showing down when they play so few hands.

Plus, many strong hands are discounted because most players like to raise them to protect from draws on flop or turn.

This is 10NL

pot, pot, shove.

This is 10NL

pot, pot, shove.

this!

Good posts, thanks. Its always interesting to see how others would play the same hand particularly as I try to improve and move on and up.

I think the general consensus is bet around pot and shove to a 3bet.

Thanks again, I appreciate it.