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hey guys, iv been running super bad lately and have some doubt in my game, also tilt came into play in a couple of hands so im pretty unsure on how bad i played the hands, gonna post a couple of hands in different threads so you can check out the other once aswell, here we go :

PREFLOP
UTG is a pretty fishy player so calling here IP w QJs looks pretty standard (not to agro players behind so im not too afraid of getting 3b to often)

FLOP
i flop toppair, UTG ck, so either he is slowplaying the nutz or he is giving up, anywayz i Cb for value & CO calls, his range looks like 8x Qx, 99 TT JJ some gutshots, 33 88, sometimes AA KK (doubtfull though)

TURN
i actually think turn might be a ck/f given the fact that there arent to many hands in his flop calling range that will call a second barrel that we are ahead of. so yea, think ck/f might be better here

RIVER
So i get lucky on the river & hit top 2, now i can value bet again, because all the AQ KQ hands got sucked out. - i think villain is putting in a raise with 33 8x on the turn (might just call 33 & raise 8x)
anywayz i bet again & i feel pretty much commited altough i think im beat like close to all the time here when he jams...

any thoughts

iPoker - €0.50 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (MP): €90.14
CO: €50.00
BTN: €65.25
SB: €52.14
BB: €50.00
UTG: €56.38

SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (€0.75) Hero has Q J

UTG raises to €1.50, Hero calls €1.50, CO calls €1.50, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (€5.25, 3 players) 3 Q 8
UTG checks, Hero bets €3.50, CO calls €3.50, fold

Turn: (€12.25, 2 players) 8
Hero bets €8.50, CO calls €8.50

River: (€29.25, 2 players) J
Hero bets €16.00, CO raises to €36.50, Hero

What kind of player is CO? Preflop, flop, turn is totally ok. But I think this is a spot, where you can check/call the river. My reasoning: If he have KQ, AQ he will bet the river, because he have two pair and doesn't expect better hands in your range. (and honestly, there isn't so much, only this QJ, if you bet flop, bet turn, check river). So you don't need to bet against these hands for getting value from them. Maybe he bluffs a 99, TT on the river too, or if he has QJ too, you can split. He can have QJ here too, if he raises, don't forget, and you have hard time calling it. If he have an x8, 33, he will raise your river bet always, and you find yourself in a very difficult spot. I don't see many hands in his range after these actions what you can beat here btw, so how it was played, it's a fold.

Like you said yourself, I don't see many hands we get value from on the turn. You did not give any info about CO so I assume QT is the worst Q he can have. We are beat by all 8x (he has more 8x in our range then we) and beat by AQ/KQ. I'm not sure he is calling a turn bet with TT/99 but it could be possible. But if we get value from those on the turn then they can call a river bet as well when we check the turn. (I'm not woried about giving a free card because the board is pretty dry). When villain checks the turn behind we can evaluate the river and think about a thin value bet. When villain bets the turn himself folding is not terrible I guess because I don't expect him to bet worse.

Adriano86: And what is your plan, if he bet the turn? I think, that EUSSI's turn bet is a thin value/protection bet, and it's better than the c/c line.
" You did not give any info about CO so I assume QT is the worst Q he can have." If he calls the turn! But after the flop call, his range is much wider here, so you can bet against these TT's, 99's.

I said I don't expect villain to bet worse hands on the turn when we check so I don't mind check-folding. (Could be too weak, not sure about it tbh). I never said I like a check-call.
I'm not sure TT/99 are calling a turn barrel so I don't see many hands we can get value from. And I don't think his range on the turn is that wide.

Ah, ok, so c/f the turn. Hm... I think this turn play is a difficult thing, it would be better, if we would have more info about CO.
I'm not sure either about TT/99 are calling the turn barrel, but you take down the dead money against them, and destroy their little 5% equity in the hand too, and they can't bluff you out.

I said I don't expect villain to bet worse hands on the turn when we check so I don't mind check-folding. (Could be too weak, not sure about it tbh). I never said I like a check-call.
I'm not sure TT/99 are calling a turn barrel so I don't see many hands we can get value from. And I don't think his range on the turn is that wide.

i would never ck/f the turn because people tend to call alot with small pp & then bet the turn if it gets checked (dont know why exactly, i suppose they do it 'for protection')
anywayz, ck/c turn & ck/c river looks fine aswell.
i dont mind betting the turn & ck/c river

villain was a losing reg, he was kinda loose pre so def couldv had 8x in his range here

Yeah I guess check-folding turn is too weak if you know people stab with low pairs etc when you check.
River is a bet-fold but I've a hard time giving villain a reasonable range.
I expect villain to raise Q8 (if he is calling those pre) on the flop, J8 on the turn, and he must be very bad to call flop and turn with T9 and raise it on the river. Only hands that make sense are 33 and JJ (even calling flop and turn with JJ I have doubts about).

Fold the river always....villain is rarely ever raising with worse ever....should be playing vs his range...he never has air on the river with the line weve taken...

Pre-flop..We call cause hes a fish?? if hes passive hes prob right at the very top of his range raising UTG, if you can take it away later then I like it,..If hes aggro fish I might 3 bet this hand for iso, but flatting has it benefits also

Flop: I think analysis is right on, I like bet for value..

Turn: I like c/c better because of reasons you said above also, people just stab a lot when shown weakness to...Betting should be done if we can get thin value...calling also keeps his range wide on river for him to bet worse or turn his hand into a bluff.

River: bet for value again. we get lucky and now we can prob get all his AQ KQ hands to call for value, his PPs might call light sometimes also prob slim very slim 99-TT gonna call...Us getting raised is insta fold here...AQ KQ we expect to get called from and some PPs maybe.. JJ now has a boat also..Ya thin v-bet river and fold to a raise...if your calling cause you think hes v-betting AQ KQ your thought process is pretty flawed..you should stick to your plan no matter what..not look for reasons to call when you already have a reason to bet...We expect him to call with worse not raise..When he raises he caps himself at trips+ a lot..especially after we take such a strong line.

but deff think bet c/c c/c is deff a better line for us to take..makes us harder to play against also..