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BB: $37.52 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 2.6, Hands: 144
Hero (UTG): $8.77 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 1.9, Hands: 4933
MP: $13.72 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 17, 3B: 0, AF: 19.0, Hands: 106
CO: $10.55 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 14, AF: 2.3, Hands: 56
BTN: $18.54 - VPIP: 56, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 0.4, Hands: 70
SB: $12.35 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 70

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, CO calls $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.35) 7 8 Q (3 players)
Hero bets $1.01, CO calls $1.01, BTN calls $1.01

Turn: ($4.38) 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.19, BTN folds, Hero raises to $7.36, CO calls $5.17

River: ($19.10) 5 (2 players)


I raise UTG with KK get 2 calls and then C-bet flop. Both players call my C-bet so I planned on check-raising the turn. CO bets BTN folds and I check raise all in. I put CO on Qx or drawing. Was my thought process wrong here?

Is your Qx/draw range what you would assign him pre? I see your not 100BB so maybe he isn't flatting too many PP due to the limited implied odds factor. Probably a lot of SC's, bigger suited broadways. With that turn card your still ahead most of the time...just getting behind w 77 now that there is only one combo of 88.

Do you think he raises the flop w a draw or is he trying to let the fish stay in to maximize when he hits?

If you stove a range of TT-22,KQs,QJs,JTs,T9s,98s you are 3-1 on the flop and maybe more than not he will call his draws especially after fish folds.

Thing i dont really like is that BTN is also in the pot, this makes CO less likely to bet his draws i think.
But i think he still bet his good Qx and also some good draws.
So i think you should turn a profit with your play, is 8x range is verry limited to 89s pretty much with is 2 combos. 78s he raises the flop some % of the time.

the plan of making a check raise on the turn, instead of betting is bad, look at the btn stats...
many players at these stakes play there hand way to passive (again, look at the btn) so checking w overpairs is almost alwayz a mistake.
i think you lose some great value by checking here & you risk the fact of letting villain hit there draw without charging them.
not sure what to say about the raise once we check, i guess its fine, villain will bet Qx alot & will have troubles folding after putting so much money in the pot. but imo bet/fold is the way to go here & is alot higher EV then checking

also make sure you are full stacked at all times, you want to be as deep as possible to win the most money when you get it in. also not sure if nit or sample, but 14/10, you should probably be opening your game a little

100% agree with post above
you should definitely lead the turn.

think of it this way: by check raising the turn you expect to get value from worse hands right? Allright, what part of that range of your opponents would fold if you lead the turn? I guess zero procent.
Your opponents are almost always checking behind the the flush/straight draw so you're losing a lot of money by checking.

If once of them had AQ you will get the money in even if you lead so that's defenitely the best way.

You're protecting while you are ahead a very big portion of the time!

And to answer your question: your shove is defenitely good but your check was bad.

Alright what you's are saying makes sense, thanks for the advice! Yeah, I know I should be auto re-loading but I just jumped up to 10NL and wanted to feel it out first, plus I just found the auto re-load on 888 lol. Also, definitely working on opening my range!

And to answer your question: your shove is defenitely good but your check was bad.

Yeah, the thing is that KK is such a strong hand in this situation with a very low SPR that anything except a fold is "good". A turn bet is optimal, way ahead of checking.

Ya betting is best play and more +EV cause BTN is in this hand and multi-way....checking/shoving could be okay if we are in a HU pot vs CO....I take this line a ton against regs and it gets called a lot...by worse hands, better then bet bet bet line on drawy boards on blankish turns.,,but i usually have a read, so default should be to bet...it also balances you on turns a bit, but that dont matter here...so bet for the sweet sweet value...I think it deff a bet/fold on turn though.