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Nunc est bibendum

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***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Boss)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, June 18, 01:42:39 ET 2012
Table TH Mini 75 (Real Money)

Seat 5 is the button

Seat 1: Player1 ( $11.95 USD )
Seat 2: Hero ( $11.44 USD )
Seat 3: Player3 ( $10.00 USD )
Seat 4: Player4 ( $19.32 USD )
Seat 5: Player5 ( $9.95 USD )
Seat 6: Player6 ( $1.92 USD )
Player1 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
Player6 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero AHeart ADiamond

Hero raises [$0.35 USD]
Player3 folds
Player4 calls [$0.35 USD]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player1 folds

** Dealing Flop ** 6Spade, 7Heart, 3Club

Hero bets [$0.63 USD]
Player4 calls [$0.63 USD]

** Dealing Turn ** QClub

Hero bets [$1.70 USD]
Player4 raises [$3.40 USD]
Hero calls [$1.70 USD]

** Dealing River ** 2Heart

Hero checks
Player4 bets [$4.10 USD]
Hero folds
Player4 wins $8.47 USD from main pot
Player4 wins $4.10 US?


Vilalin is 67/7/0.8 fish only 20hands. Should I fold turn?

Posted 11 months ago

I3betyoutillyoudie

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euEra

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If a passive opponent raises he is going to be barrelling the river a majority of the time because his range is so strong. So calling the turn raise without being prepared to call a river barrel is burning money. Yes he only min raised so your getting a good price to call but your hand rarely improves by the river and villians range is just too strong. He may raise TPTK somtimes but you have 2 of the aces which makes his range massively 2 pair+ weighted.

Posted 11 months ago

uselink

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I am always folding the turn vs a passive fish if he raises a blank turn! unless i have reads Smile

Posted 11 months ago

euEra

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rungood992

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it kinda is... regardless, it's a fold.

Posted 11 months ago

euEra

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it kinda is... regardless, it's a fold.


Nah it isnt a blank. All villian did was call pre and float the flop he has loads of overs in his range.

Posted 11 months ago

strukl

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Nah it isnt a blank. All villian did was call pre and float the flop he has loads of overs in his range.


your posts are contradicting first you say his range is super strong but now he was floating with overs and caught a Q. so are we still ahead here then?

Posted 11 months ago

euEra

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your posts are contradicting first you say his range is super strong but now he was floating with overs and caught a Q. so are we still ahead here then?


No they are not contradicting themselves at all. The turn card hits his range based on the action so far (a call pre flop and a call on the flop) he has a wide range and overcards are in his range. We dont expect a passive opponent to raise a turned pair so his range changes from being very wide to being very narrow.

Posted 11 months ago

rungood992

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ok that is a side issue though euEra. OP is more concerned with how he should respond to the minraise.

fish don't mr bluff pair plus draw hands / oesd hands on this turn hoping to rep a super strong range and hoping to get a folds from the pfr, they just call and hope to hit. they can't handread properly and aren't thinking about OP's range.

so when you get minraised on this turn it's from a value hand, and seeing as he is generally flatting and not minraising a queen on this turn it is from a value hand better than AA, so you can comfortably fold knowing it will be the correct play the vast majority of the time.

Posted 11 months ago

euEra

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ok that is a side issue though euEra. OP is more concerned with how he should respond to the minraise.

fish don't mr bluff pair plus draw hands / oesd hands on this turn hoping to rep a super strong range and hoping to get a folds from the pfr, they just call and hope to hit. they can't handread properly and aren't thinking about OP's range.

so when you get minraised on this turn it's from a value hand, and seeing as he is generally flatting and not minraising a queen on this turn it is from a value hand better than AA, so you can comfortably fold knowing it will be the correct play the vast majority of the time.


Exactly, i already posted the same outcome albeit worded diferrantly earlier in this thread. I was just simply saying that the Q is not neccessarily a blank, a 2 of diamonds for example is a blank

Posted 11 months ago




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