Micro Stakes Online NL Poker Forums

KK - A on board, weird bets

or track by Email or RSS


BeRisin

Avatar for BeRisin

46 posts
Joined 05/2012

Pretty interesting hand here...

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1796220
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter


UTG: $5.33 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 12, 3B: 6, AF: 3.0, Hands: 185
MP2: $16.33 - VPIP: 100, PFR: 100, 3B: 100, AF: 2.0, Hands: 1


Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with K Heart K Club
UTG raises to $0.30, 3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.70, 3 folds, MP2 calls $1.20

I'm thinking he has AA, KK, QQ, AK, maybe JJ, TT when he bets but when he calls I'm thinking QQ, AK, JJ, TT or slowplayed AA. KK isn't likely and it's a bit mad to play KK by calling. Also not too many people would just call AA here as there's too much raising going on, it's pretty obvious I want to get it all in.

Flop: ($3.85) 6 Heart A Club 7 Heart (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

I don't see a point in betting. If I bet and he calls I don't learn much as he may just be "calling a cbet" which would put me on his same range that I believe he has and if he raises I've got to be thinking slowplayed AA but I would be giving him this awesome opportunity to make my decision hard.

Turn: ($3.85) 3 Heart (2 players)
MP2 bets $2.70, Hero calls $2.70

The flush makes me call here, I'm obviously worried about the AA which may include the Ah. He hasn't already got a flush here because by my reasoning he could only have one with AK and that's impossible as I have Kh. After seeing me check on the flop it's perfectly reasonable for him to think he's ahead with QQ, JJ, TT, but would someone bet here after my pre flop raise? Not enough hands to know what type of a player he is. In the micro's is it better to think the unknown is a fish?

River: ($9.25) A Diamond (2 players)
MP2 bets $0.20,

?

Not worried about AK or AA much now, obviously it's there but so unlikely. Which leaves me with his range mostly being worse than mine. But then the bet is so small... I never know what this means. I have no clue how to act here. Push for max value? Calling is like checking tbh. Obvs not folding lol

Posted about 1 year ago

Jyhani

Avatar for Jyhani

719 posts
Joined 07/2010

The turn call might be okay if you think his range is like only AK and TT-QQ. On the river, if you raise, what range will call?

Posted about 1 year ago

BeRisin

Avatar for BeRisin

46 posts
Joined 05/2012

The turn call might be okay if you think his range is like only AK and TT-QQ. On the river, if you raise, what range will call?



I think QQ and JJ will call, maybe even TT? I have no sample though. I think an NL10 average player would be calling that though.

Posted about 1 year ago

Jyhani

Avatar for Jyhani

719 posts
Joined 07/2010

No way no-one calls a river raise with QQ-TT.

Posted about 1 year ago

Deets

Avatar for Deets

545 posts
Joined 11/2010

From my experience this is usually a decent made hand that's afraid of something better. More often than not that something fails to fold to a raise, though.

Posted about 1 year ago

dietchipz

Avatar for dietchipz

293 posts
Joined 11/2011

I would 3bet/iso bigger preflop also, if you view villain has a strong range we should bet big when we are ahead and v-betting....as played you can raise back small on river if you think theres value to be had, like a size you think villain will call with his SD value hands....or just call.you should deff have some good notes also after seeing SD vs villain...what he min 3 bets what he call raises with and if hes capable of leading when we check back on these boards...then we can adjust our ranges based on his play here.

Posted about 1 year ago

Tech9ines

Avatar for Tech9ines

378 posts
Joined 03/2011

I would 3bet/iso bigger preflop also, if you view villain has a strong range we should bet big when we are ahead and v-betting....as played you can raise back small on river if you think theres value to be had, like a size you think villain will call with his SD value hands....or just call.you should deff have some good notes also after seeing SD vs villain...what he min 3 bets what he call raises with and if hes capable of leading when we check back on these boards...then we can adjust our ranges based on his play here.



he doesnt have any reads, the sample size is '1'

so i would just call and make a note, u are risking $0.20 for $9.25 for some valuable information so u can be clearer about wht to do vs this villian in a later hand,

why risk more than you need to when clearly thers a bunch of hands that beat us, i think by raising all ur going to do is fold worse hands that you want to see to get ur information.

and also even if we assume because villian is unknown that he is a fish, a fish could have anything on a board like this, all flushes, 2pairs, straights, FH's not to mention a million combos of top trips, dost risk any more and just call - if ur assuming hes a fish then the range you assigned him pre is too tight,

ive seen tonnes of fish raise/call hands pre with complete trash because they feel they have the skill to win postflop and blufff their money off

Posted about 1 year ago

Tech9ines

Avatar for Tech9ines

378 posts
Joined 03/2011

ii should have put the word 'skill' in inverted commas

Posted about 1 year ago

micsquab

Avatar for micsquab

744 posts
Joined 09/2010

I think you learn more by c betting vs. checking this flop. He likely would x raise this flop with AQ+ and sets. I could be wrobg tho.

Posted 12 months ago

dietchipz

Avatar for dietchipz

293 posts
Joined 11/2011

he doesnt have any reads, the sample size is '1'

so i would just call and make a note, u are risking $0.20 for $9.25 for some valuable information so u can be clearer about wht to do vs this villian in a later hand,

why risk more than you need to when clearly thers a bunch of hands that beat us, i think by raising all ur going to do is fold worse hands that you want to see to get ur information.

and also even if we assume because villian is unknown that he is a fish, a fish could have anything on a board like this, all flushes, 2pairs, straights, FH's not to mention a million combos of top trips, dost risk any more and just call - if ur assuming hes a fish then the range you assigned him pre is too tight,

ive seen tonnes of fish raise/call hands pre with complete trash because they feel they have the skill to win postflop and blufff their money off



We dont need a read to iso bigger when we have KK, we can also assume villain is a fish by his min 3 bet sizing..And I was saying you can raise river if you think there is value to be had, thin value, We are not shoving, we are RR a amount we think villain will call with SD type hands and block bets...like a dollar max.

Posted 12 months ago

shuttle

Avatar for shuttle

3358 posts
Joined 11/2008

Impossible to comment on pre without knowing our effective stacksizes.

Flatting river is beyond standard, raising is clearly terrible as we don't fold out anything that we beat and the range that calls us is definitely ahead of us equity wise.

Posted 12 months ago

SavingForBenz

Avatar for SavingForBenz

648 posts
Joined 12/2011

Don't agree with your range through the whole hand. We have 1 hand on the guy, he could just be clicking buttons and have tons of Ax in his range and other crap, SCs and small PPs. We have no info on the guy, big mistake to think this is only AK or AA and worse pairs IMO. Thank him for the cheap showdown.

FWIW I quite like the 4bet size.

Posted 12 months ago




HomePoker ForumsMicro Stakes Online NL → KK - A on board, weird bets