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PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $40.51
SB: $53.27-Unknown
Hero (BB): $83.99
UTG: $29.43
MP: $30.44
CO: $15.88

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has J J

fold, MP raises to $0.75, fold, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, Hero raises to $3.75, fold, fold, SB calls $3.00

Flop: ($9.00, 2 players) 4 7 9
SB checks, Hero bets $6.45, SB calls $6.45

Turn: ($21.90, 2 players) 2
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($21.90, 2 players) 2
SB bets $6.80, Hero?

Bet the turn. As played, call the river. Shoving here would be turning your hand into a bluff.

could you raise? probably. shoving would be close to a bluff, though.

Bet the turn. As played, call the river. Shoving here would be turning your hand into a bluff.

And what do you do if you get c/r on the turn?What sort of range do u put him on, that calls a squeeze pf oop, and flats the flop, that you would cbet the turn against?I think checking the turn is better imo, considering stack sizes and pot size.Calling the river is standard ofc, but im interested if anyone would shove for value, and i don`t think ur turning your hand into a bluff by shoving, if u can narrow his range.Plus his bet on the river, really looks like a blocker.Only problem is i got no info on him, so calling seems to be the most +ev play.But more that i think about it, and it has nothing to do with me seeing his hand ofc, i kinda like the shove.Interested to hear some more opininions.

could you raise? probably. shoving would be close to a bluff, though.

I think i raise would look stronger then a shove.

I think you represent a stronger hand than you have if you shove and you are trying to get calls from 9x 1010, fairly narrow range - and I dont think you are folding out any stronger hands (AA_QQ is calling IMO). I think a call is fine, and a shove will just get called by better hands.

I think you represent a stronger hand than you have if you shove and you are trying to get calls from 9x 1010, fairly narrow range - and I dont think you are folding out any stronger hands (AA_QQ is calling IMO). I think a call is fine, and a shove will just get called by better hands.

Imo only better hands that would call and make some sense to be his actual holdings are flushes Axs, or 9`s or 7`s full houses.I think he never shows up with AA_QQ here, considering how the hand is played pre and pf.So yes, if we do decide to shove, we are trying to get calls from 9x or 10`s.If someone could break down the math side of it, how many times would a shove be profitable here, it`d be nice.

If you are shoving for value than your hand needs to have greater than 50% equity against villain's calling range.

I think I would just call the river....you're getting over 3-1.....I'm not sure how I feel about checking the turn.....We have equity with 11 outs, 9 spades and 2 Jacks, not to mention you have pocket JJ....He probably has T9, 98, 97, 87, Ax and could just be looking for a reason to stick around.......

I'm a little confused as to how some believe a call on the river is the correct play. I'm not really a ZOOM player but aren't the PF ranges and 3B ranges a lot tighter due to the format. Wouldn't that keep the villains range of hands to be AK+? Not really 99 or 1010 either. Kinda feels more like a tricky or passive KK play to me that's betting the river as a blocker..

I think i raise would look stronger then a shove.

against a guy betting six bucks here you are overthinking it

i dont mind checking the turn.
i think 7x 9x 88 TT type of hands we can probably get MAX 2 streets of value, checking the turn and then betting slightly less on the river will get a lot of crying calls.
You can obv bet the turn and get called by those hands that have flushdraw aswell.
So yea, betting the turn or checking and betting the river doesnt matter to much imo. Maybe betting the turn is slightly better because of the third spade.

On the river im inclined to make a super small raise for thin value. because he will be priced in to make the call with the hands i said above (7x 9x 88 TT)
if we jam and get called we are beat almost alwayz, if we make a super smallisch raise and he jams we can fold imo (should do the math)

Do you got any reads, stats on this player becuase it matters a lot before we can make the right adjustements imo

against a guy betting six bucks here you are overthinking it

Lol yeah, still i like to consider different options, we all know snap calling this river is super standard, but when u start taking the same standard lines, over, and over again i think u might get urself in some kind of cookie cutter mold style of playing, becoming easy exploitable to a thinking reg opponents, since they already see you always take same lines.I know this is ofc less important at the micros, bc few of em are thinking plrs, and most regs are just autopiloting nits even at zoom, i still like to explore all possibilities, and not auto go with the one resembling the perfect play the most.

I'm a little confused as to how some believe a call on the river is the correct play. I'm not really a ZOOM player but aren't the PF ranges and 3B ranges a lot tighter due to the format. Wouldn't that keep the villains range of hands to be AK+? Not really 99 or 1010 either. Kinda feels more like a tricky or passive KK play to me that's betting the river as a blocker..

Good point, but watch how the hand is played, he overcalls mp 3x from the sb, would u ever flat Ak+ and play it oop vs 2 or more plrs? But everything is possible, keep in mind, this is 25nl .Still looks more like suited connectors to me, or a middle pair that is too stubborn to fold.

i dont mind checking the turn.
i think 7x 9x 88 TT type of hands we can probably get MAX 2 streets of value, checking the turn and then betting slightly less on the river will get a lot of crying calls.
You can obv bet the turn and get called by those hands that have flushdraw aswell.
So yea, betting the turn or checking and betting the river doesnt matter to much imo. Maybe betting the turn is slightly better because of the third spade.

On the river im inclined to make a super small raise for thin value. because he will be priced in to make the call with the hands i said above (7x 9x 88 TT)
if we jam and get called we are beat almost alwayz, if we make a super smallisch raise and he jams we can fold imo (should do the math)

Do you got any reads, stats on this player becuase it matters a lot before we can make the right adjustements imo

Interesting, i def agree with 90%, and i kinda like the smalish raise vs this guy.Against a good thinkin reg, ur just setting urself up to get jamed on.No reads on him, no stats whatsoever, other then his nationality which was British or Dutch lol can`t remember precisely atm.