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Is it best to lead on the flop? I lead into the the pfr to trap the guy in the middle rather than c/r and drive him
out.

Is it best/standard to continue leading on the turn, or should I go for a check raise then?

Is my bet-sizing too small on the flop? Is it too big on the turn, or is there just no more value to be had from my opponent's hands?

Cake Poker $4.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 1784473
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BTN: $4.17 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 22, 3B: 7, AF: 7.0, Hands: 46
Hero (SB): $4.32 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 26, 3B: 5, AF: 3.5, Hands: 347
BB: $4.46 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 46
CO: $2.29 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 22, 3B: 7, AF: 7.0, Hands: 46

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is SB with 8 8
CO raises to $0.12, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.36) 8 2 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.24, BB calls $0.24, CO calls $0.24

Turn: ($1.08) Q (3 players)
Hero bets $0.84,

I like donk betting here to get some action from BB, but the bet a little too small (what`s the difference in .24 and 0.29 ?). On the turn you definitely need to bet (what would your c/r turn accomplish? What are your reasons for that action?) it would be a disaster not to get stacks in let`s say vs AQ or JJ or some other shit and it`s too small yet again (what`s the difference between 0.84 and 0.99 ?), you WANT to have an option to shove river, so you NEED to bet as big as you need to to set up pot sized or less river shove if possible against the biggest stack in the hand.

The donkbet vs x/r dilemma takes place especially when you are in the pot with fish.

A. When to donkbet?

BTN (reg)
SB (Hero)
[color=green]BB (fish)/[color]

You donk, fish calls and reg can also come along. If you would check instead, fish is also likely to check and reg can take a free card (very likely on dry board - it doesn't hit him well).


B. When to x/r?
BTN (reg)
[color=green]SB(fish)/[color]
BB Hero

This time x/r is superior, especially on boards including J+ cards. If reg will c-bet, fish can call and then you can x/r to trap more money in the pot.

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Flop
In this example it's usually better to lead, since you can't trap as much money by x/r, the board is poorly connected with PFR's range and we don't know much about his c-bet tendencies.

Bet $0.28 or more, if they have an overpair or OESD, they will call anyway.

Turn
Yeah just continue your aggression. You could have used even bigger sizing though. After this bet the pot will be $2.76 with remaining stacks of $3.12.

It should be:


Flop: ($0.36) 8 2 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.36, BB calls $0.36, CO calls $0.36

Turn: ($1.44) Q (3 players)
Hero bets $1.10, BB calls $1.10, BTN folds

River: ($3.64) 2
Hero bets $2.74 (All-in), BB calls $2.74

Final Pot: $9.12

BB shows A A
Hero shows 8 8

Hero wins $9.12

Thanks for the advice guys.

About potting the flop.. Isn't it a bet-sizing tell to pot here? What I mean is if I pot here for value then don't I also need to pot here when bluffing? Or is it not so important to balance bet-sizing when donking?

Thanks for the advice guys.

About potting the flop.. Isn't it a bet-sizing tell to pot here? What I mean is if I pot here for value then don't I also need to pot here when bluffing? Or is it not so important to balance bet-sizing when donking?

At 4nl balancing really isnt important, no-one is playing enough attention, or has the ability to exploit you anyway. As WoT says in one of his videos "Play exploitably against the unaware" or something along those lines.

So in conclusion, balancing your bet sizing isnt important when no-one can exploit it.

At 4nl balancing really isnt important, no-one is playing enough attention, or has the ability to exploit you anyway.

I hear this so often, but I play at the micros and (if a guy 1/2 pot c-bets the flop and gives up but pots it and continues other times) I notice, although I may not take advantage in the best way.

That is probably the best flop you could have asked for with pocket 88s. Big hands require big pots and checking here would have been a huge mistake. In these situations you should do the math in your head and divide up 3 bets on all three streets that can stack your opponents.....

Do you know of a quick technique to divide a stack into three streets? Particularly HU?

Thank you.

Do you know of a quick technique to divide a stack into three streets? Particularly HU?

Thank you.

Practice. Practice. And one more time practice.
Use Excel and try out some scenarios how much you have to bet in order to get the stacks in. Then you won't need any technique, you will just "feel it".

Example: raise 3 bb pre, call
Flop (about 7 bb) - Bet 7 bb, call
Turn (21 bb) - Bet 21 bb, call
River (63 bb) - Bet 63 bb (effective stack is 67, so this would be a slight overbet)

raise 3.5 bb pre, call
Flop (8 bb) - bet 8 bb, call
Turn (24 bb) - bet 24 bb, call
River (72 bb) - bet 64.5 bb (AI)
This time it was easier

raise 4 bb pre, call
Flop (9 bb) - bet 9 bb, call
Turn (27 bb) - bet 27 bb, call
River (81 bb) - bet 60 bb (AI)
Even better.

In this situation I would bet .30 on the flop, $1.00 on the turn, then either pot the river or go all in.....It also depends on how bad your opponents are, because some will just not fold top pair.....In which case you can stack them....This is even juicier because you have two other people in this hand besides yourself....Divide up three bets in your head according to your opponents stack size. If they have 100BB stacks just bet over 3/4 pot on the flop and turn....then either pot the river or go all in.....