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Le Bourlingueur

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Vilain 23/15, af 1,5, steal 32%, fold to 3bet 58%. My 3bet here is for value. This guy can call with weak holding on the flop and turn and his not super aggro, so I figured AT was well ahead of his range.

On the flop, I put him on 99-TT, QJ-KJ-AJ, or even maybe A8. JJ is also possible of course. Do you bet this turn and why?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1779036
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Hero (BTN): $29.82
SB: $17.88
BB: $27.09
UTG: $25.00
CO: $27.60

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with A Heart T Heart
1 fold, CO raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, 1 fold, BB calls $2, CO calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.85) 8 Spade J Heart 4 Heart (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $4.57, BB folds, CO calls $4.57

Turn: ($15.99) 2 Diamond (2 players)
CO checks

Hero?

Posted 12 months ago

improva

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Villain's range is much much wider on the turn.

Posted 12 months ago

gamble_ftw

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Villain's range is much much wider on the turn.



How? OP why would you assume a 23/15 villain will call your 3bet oop with a range ATs is ahead of, or at all? In fact his calling range should be crushing you, I see no reason to 3bet pre, waste of a good hand plus you put yourself in a lot of bad spots.

As played I see nothing in villain's range that called flop to fold turn so take the free card...

Posted 12 months ago

yack83

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I don't think that 3-betting this hand on the BTN is getting much value. You already have position and a good hand to play it in and only better aces will call your 3bet and you don't want worse hands to be folding. His call OP is really strong. It looks like QQ or JJ most of the time. He could possibly have TT. JJ would probalby raise the flop. You can ck to get a free card, but on the other hand you could get him of those QQ or TT if you barrel again. The problem is you can't be sure he is going to fold QQ so it is kind of risky and you might get raised on the turn by slowplayed JJ. And he might have flatted AA as well.

Posted 12 months ago

Le Bourlingueur

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In game with the stats I had I just tought that a guy who tries to steal 32% and fold to 58% 3bet can call with worst. Is that so wrong to think?

Flatting OTB here...I guess there is some value in that.

Posted 12 months ago

ILikeMyself

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Flat pre, check turn.

I really don't think villain is folding QQ here, sometimes not even Jx.
Maybe you let him fold TT and his SD's/FD's but nothing more then that and he's not gonna float with someting like Ax OOP..his ch/c on the flop looks strong to me so I would check this behind.

Posted 12 months ago

axel1

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I wouldn't read too much into the 32% steal%! How much he really steals from the CO really depends on table dynimacs: If you're aggressive, he might be open a tighter range oop vs you. If there are fish in the blinds, he might open wider... And steal% gives you his steal% from CO, BTN and SB, you should keep in mind that most players steal less from the CO than from the BTN or SB.

Your 3-bet preflop seems to be pretty thin, if you bet for value. I'd probably just 3-bet if there were aggressive players in the blinds, who squeeze alot, because then we can not proftable flat call. But it seems that the BB is a fish, given that he cold-called the 3-bet oop. So if you knew that he is a fish, calling is much better! Because you can play a hand that plays pretty good in a multiway pot, in position with a fish. + You are all a bit deep.

As played i think i'd check back the flop, because we are 3-way on a wet board. It's very unlikely that we are able to take the pot down + we would hate it to get check/raised.

On the turn, i'd just check back, the 2s changes nothing, and it's not a scare card for anything he called the flop with. He most likely calls again or check/raises if you bet. Take the free card! You may even win the pot if you hit a Ten...

Posted 12 months ago

improva

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How? OP why would you assume a 23/15 villain will call your 3bet oop with a range ATs is ahead of, or at all? In fact his calling range should be crushing you, I see no reason to 3bet pre, waste of a good hand plus you put yourself in a lot of bad spots.

As played I see nothing in villain's range that called flop to fold turn so take the free card...



SRY... thought possitions were different.

In that case "3bet for value" is most likely wrong.

Posted 12 months ago

Le Bourlingueur

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Thx a lot everyone. I agree that calling can be better, but I don't mind my 3bet THAT much. I'll try it next time and see how it goes. And I also agree that betting does not do that much here as he can't fold worst.

For the hand, I betted the turn pretty big and he shoved for almost nothing more and I had to call, and he showed me QDiamondJClub. I was pretty disgutted when I missed.

Posted 12 months ago

Adriano85

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If he is calling you oop with hands like that you can widen your 3bet for value.

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