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Villain stats: 23 hands, 48/13, AFq: 46%, 3bet: 9, Fold to flop cbet: 25% (1/4), Turn raise: 0/3

Ongame Network $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1778193
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SB: $27.60
BB: $11.07
UTG: $7.26
Hero (CO): $33.33
BTN: $27.97

Pre Flop: ($0.45) Hero is CO with 9 J
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.90, BTN calls $0.90, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($3.60) T 6 J (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $2.85, BTN calls $2.85, SB folds, BB folds

Turn: ($9.30) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, BTN raises to $16

Hero?

I tried to steal from the CO, it's not worked. What can we do against 3 players on the flop with TPWK? Shouldn't cbet here? If I cbet, what's about my sizing? What's the best play on the turn?

I check flop. Way ahead/waybehind (Kinda applies here except our hand is on the weaker side then on normal examples which makes it even more of a check i guess) is my reason for that and it is 4way.

Without a read i will just fold here, villain seams passive and a ton of draws hit which he calls the flop with. I expect him to be raising his sets/2pair on the flop so it is or a clear bluff or def a str8 and looking at his stats it is most prob a str8.

If we call, we can't be happy calling much rivers as well.

I fold.

Must add, i am posting to learn myself...

Flop is fine, you can get a lot of value, esp from that fishy dude on the button.

As for the turn, I'd probably bet/shove in this spot, just because he has a ton of pair+draw hands, draws and not that many monsters. He can also have a worse valuehand sometimes (T9, maybe overpair). It will be best if you type his possible ranges in the equilator and see how you're doing - I don't have much time now therefore i present only "feel" approach, which may be wrong ;d.

Regards

Flop is fine, I'm never checking here because we can get called by a ton of draws/worse hands. Think I have to go with the hand and get it in on the turn, I expect to see a ton of draws, T9 or KQ. We dont really have enough hands/reads on villan to do anything else

I check flop. Way ahead/waybehind (Kinda applies here except our hand is on the weaker side then on normal examples which makes it even more of a check i guess) is my reason for that and it is 4way.

what do you mean way ahead way behind ?
we are never way ahead here, there are tons of overcards, flushdraws & straightdraws.
I do agree with way behind, but we will get to here that verry quickly because allmost all 2p or sets are raising this flop, or start donking or whatever.

So i do not agree with the check on the flop & your statement as way ahead way behind.

I do like betting the turn (altough i think your bet is maybe a little bit to big (you want to size it just right so you still get called by Jx & all the draws, 8 in to 9 might be on the bigger side.
when he minraises you it sucks and we should do the math to figure out what the best play is here.

try to write out a range for villain, start with preflop - flop - turn.
then look what part of the range he raises with on the turn.
put that range into a stove and see what your equity is vs that range.
the do the pot odd math & you know what you have to do here.

I think its close but i think im shipping because of the spazzyness of the player (only 23 hands but 48/13 seems pretty bad to me, there are a bunch of 1p + draw hands here, badly played overpairs, some strange played top pair, and some whatever im gonna minraise and fold if he goes all in - and then there are all the hands that beat you )

hmmmmmm...this is a tough spot. i think PF/flop are both fine.

turn is tough- it's a good bet spot IMO. once he raises-

hands that beat us- KQ/78- both are possible given this player. JT- i think he would have raised the flop typically (and other hands such as sets).

hands that we beat that he could be doing this with- T9, random spaz club draws, 69, random semibluffs such as 98 hands.

given this player, anything is possible. i think that given this player, jamming is fine...but i'm not happy about it. i definitely could be wrong about this as well (and folding might be better).

Yes very bad example with WA/WB my apologies, it prob isn't close to a actual WA/WB situation. don't know what i was thinking. My bad.

So we bet flop for value because board is so wet. but with what turn and river cards will we really be happy? villain should be raising all his strong hands on flop, so his call looks like a draw. lots of str8 combo's hit the turn and he shows agg. the only thing that sucks is it is a min raise ( I fold to a shove) but still is more then half his stack, so I still fold here without a read and my reason is he has been somewhat passive so far.

This is a fold on the turn imo. I rarely see fish minraising on later streets as bluff or with top pair. TJ is even possible because fish like to slowplay "monsters"and are not always thinking about given free cards. KQ, 87, TJ, 66, 99... We are really never good here.

I think it's clearly not a way ahead/behind situation. On the flop I think we should bet, because we can have the best atm, and the turn can kill action and destroy our equity. But I still don't know what is the best play on the turn. I think the bet is a must, but maybe I should've bet less (like 6.5$-7$). I think this is a close decision between bet/fold and and bet/call (or push because it's an all-in anyway). And what thinks Tommy Angelo about these situations? It doesn't matter what you do.

I think it's clearly not a way ahead/behind situation.

Lol, will apologize again for that (retardedblushingface). Yhea seeing that a player like orange says its a 50/50 i guess your right about it not really mattering.

No need for apologize, we can learn from every comment. (and I have much bigger fail comments )

I would probably fold but reluctantly. He should be raising his sets and JT on the flop in a 4-way pot so I think this hands should be heavily discounted. The most possible hands are 78 of clubs, KQ and 9T. I think it's slightly weighted towards a fold. And the turn bet should be slightly smaller imo to get a call from KJ, QJ, AJ and flush draws. I would bet around 6.50.

I'm folding the turn here, if we call the turn.......we would have to be willing to call the river with some scare cards.....not the greatest of situations...

I'm folding the turn here, if we call the turn.......we would have to be willing to call the river with some scare cards.....not the greatest of situations...

Callin is deffo the worst option, its a fold or jam.