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NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Poker Stars
Hero ($36.93)
BB ($16.69)
UTG ($24)
UTG+1 ($27.51)
CO ($22.56)
BTN ($27.73)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

UTG raises to $0.75, UTG+1 calls $0.75, fold, BTN calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.50, fold, UTG calls $2.75, fold, BTN calls $2.75

FLOP ($11.50) T 9 7

Hero bets $7.60, UTG folds, [color=red]BTN raises to $16, Hero?

UTG and BTN where fishy but no real info yet

Should i just bet/call here or c/r ? am i good here vs his stackoff range ?

If we think they're fishy i'd just fold here, they're likely to just call with pairs and draws and therefore raising with sets and occasionally straights, so we're looking pretty bad v that range.

UTG and BTN where fishy

That is a complete NON-information. What exactly made you think they´re fishy?

But regardless of the actual player tendencies that´s a pretty easy spot to analyze vs. almost all but the very worst / most aggressive opponents:

First look at your odds. You´re not calling, you´re either stacking off or folding. Villain probably never folds, so treat his raise as a shove. The pot then has 43.33 and you have to call 16.63, ok? That gives you odds of 2.6:1 which means you need ~28% equity.

Second, come up with a range. Start with the preflop-range - what hands is BTN c/c with? Does he have any suited connectors in his range? AKcc, AQcc? QJcc? There are 9 set-combos out there - which are at 100% in his range. Let´s for the sake of the argument add AKcc, AQcc, KQcc, QJcc, T9s and 87cc. Any more hands I´m missing?

Third, take pokerstove and compare your equity vs. that range:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.982% 24.21% 00.78% 4074 130.50 { QdQs }
Hand 1: 75.018% 74.24% 00.78% 12495 130.50 { TT-99, 77, AcKc, AcQc, KcQc, QcJc, T9s, 8c7c }


So you´re not getting the right equity to call. If you think there are some more hands in his range - you should consider as well that he might not auto-raise with draws. Similarly if he has any "real" bluffs he might not stack off but just fold, which lowers the pot odds you get. So let´s just ignore that.

Summarized, this looks like a pretty easy fold.

K i agree, seems like a easy fold.
Was my betize ok here ? or cou;d i b/f smaller?

One easy point is that you should 3B larger regardless. Your out of position with a bunch of callers. Make it 4,5 at least. Maybe 5.

One easy point is that you should 3B larger regardless. Your out of position with a bunch of callers. Make it 4,5 at least. Maybe 5.

Really? That size pretty much makes it impossible to 3 b as a bluff...

Sizing is fine pre. $5 is way to big. I'm Betting the flop $8-$8.5 and it's a very easy fold to a raise.

I think your CB is too big, I think you should bet around 6 and then you should be folding imo. You're up against a set most of the time and potential flush draws are shipping and not min raising.

A 6 dollar c bet gives good drawing odds, though, right?

Yeah it does, but noone is folding a flush draw anyway on the flop and this is a scary flop for our hand. Sets are very possible and we are flipping against say AJ of clubs. Underpairs are folding as well as AQo, AKo, AJo. The only hand that we can really charge is 78s (nonclub). 78 of clubs also is doing very good. We can get value from JJ though, but I don't think this hand can endure much pressure. It should be folding a blank turn. Not much value in a big CB.

Really? That size pretty much makes it impossible to 3 b as a bluff...

Let's say you 4,5. You then risk 4,5 to win 2,5. Thats pretty standard, isn't it?

Then add that you are out of position and you don't want too many callers. When you do get the callers anyway you want to make pot/stack-ration as small as possible.

Another point is that I wouldn't cbet in this spot. It's better to check and see what happens since you are really more concerned with protecting your stack than keep them from getting free cards.

Tackleberry is deff right...Just analyze your odds here vs the btm to top of there range, and play the odds...You can memorize lots of situations like this by playing with stove.This is deff a common situation in my books for memorizing....comes up more then you think.

if we are planning to b/f flop I would bet smaller...

if we are planning to b/f flop I would bet smaller...

were not planing to bet/fold a ton here....We will get a lot more calls then shoves/raises here...so I would rather bet huge ass.

Another point is that I wouldn't cbet in this spot. It's better to check and see what happens since you are really more concerned with protecting your stack than keep them from getting free cards.

Say we have AA or KK here, are we checking to protect our stack, or betting?