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A6 makes 2p in 3b pot, bet river?

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Adriano85

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Hey guys. Villain was unknown so maybe it was a mistake to 3b but I was playing pretty tight at the table without a 3b yet so choose this spot to resteal.

Flop and turn are standard. After the turn call I think there are not many sets in villains range because he would raise them a % of the time and we block a lot. On the river I was not 100% sure about the hands that might call a bet. If villain is a thinking player his range on the river is AK, AQ, ATs and some sets. If that is the case we can't really valuebet. Are there some other hands in villain range I over see?

CO: $50.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 1.8, Hands: 632
BTN: $64.43 - VPIP: 78, PFR: 56, 3B: 75, AF: 0.0, Hands: 9
Hero (SB): $65.47 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 2.7, Hands: 33790
BB: $33.55 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 20, 3B: 8, AF: 2.9, Hands: 652
UTG: $95.55 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 2.9, Hands: 557

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 6Diamond ADiamond
2 folds, BTN raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, BTN calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.50) ASpade TClub 6Heart (2 players)
Hero bets $6.50, BTN calls $6.50

Turn: ($23.50) 3Diamond (2 players)
Hero bets $14.00, BTN calls $14

River: ($51.50) QSpade (2 players)

Hero?

Posted about 1 year ago

xXLAMBECHXx

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I can't see any other hands that he would call you on two streets that doesn't beat you. Unless, he has a hand like AKo and just is married to the idea that you raised much lighter. If Hero checks, Villian may just take the showdown. If Hero raises and Villian reraises then that polarizes his range even more. This is a tough spot. Honestly, I would check hoping for a showdown which admittedly is the weaker play.

Posted about 1 year ago

orange

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Seems like an easy jam here. Ax is calling all day long. You might even induce a hero call from worse.

Posted about 1 year ago

slowrollz

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Being out of position, i'm just not really happy here because it's hard to narrow his range down to a point where I feel great about getting it in on the river.

There's only about a pot size bet left on the river, I think we have good equity vs. what I perceive his range to be, but I think I like a check, hoping he checks behind with the plan to call a raise/jam while making the ugly face.

Here's how I broke it down:

The Villain has only been at the table for a little more than an orbit so I would say that he isn't aware of your tight image. Although unknown, he seems a little bit on aggressive side preflop, and more passive post.

PREFLOP
I don't think he'd flat your 3bet with AA, KK, or AKs.
I'd put him on a flatting range of something like: QQ-22,AKo-AQo,AQs-A2s,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs.

FLOP
The flop hits a lot of this range, however, it's mostly weak pairs (37%), and top pair (27%) type hands, Backdoor fd's (31.5%). No made hand and gutshots (10%) of the time. Sets (3%) of the time. and two pair about (2%). So we can definitely cbet for value here as he'd likely call with a ton of worse hands.

I think he'd flat his entire continuing range here. I think he continues with Sets....TT, 66. I don't think he has AA's as he would have 4bet them. ATs, which gives him a better two pair, and QQ-88. Also his top pair hands: AKo, AQ, AJs, A2-A9s, as well a KTs-JTs.

I think he'd fold no made hand, and weak pocket pairs like 77,55-22. Gutshots, and Backdoor Flush Draws.

TURN
The turn card is pretty much a brick. So you can continue to fire for value. cbet of $14 is good but you can even go a little smaller like $12 to get it in for stacks on a river blank and get him to spew off with worse. He's probably continuing with most of his range, maybe folding some Weaker Ax hands and maybe KTs-JTs, and 88-99 a good amount of the time.

RIVER
with the Qs on the river, he picks up a tiny bit of equity on the river. But we're still a big favorite. If we value bet the river, I think he jams over with jamming QQ's, AQ, ATs, A6s, TT and 66.

I think he calls with his top pair hands. JJ and maybe 88-99 if he decided to hang on to them.

He may fold pairs below top pair like KTs-JTs, and the weaker pairs like 88, and 99 too.

Posted about 1 year ago

urb

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Seems like an easy jam here. Ax is calling all day long. You might even induce a hero call from worse.


+1

There is no jamming over your bet on the river. Whatever you bet you become pot-commited so you have 3 options: ship, c/f or c/x.
c/f: It looks like he can't ship worse hands too often, but folding 2pair in 3b pot against player who played almost every hand so far and called first 3b? I wouldn't be able to do it.
c/x: is only good if you think he will jam worse. And you don't know if he will value bet AJ or bluff T9. There are no busted draws so he was either calling with weak made hand or a monster He will probably check back most of his range and jam monsters. Sucks.
shove: same as orange's post

Posted about 1 year ago

Adriano85

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Thanks guys I'm happy I made the right decision. I was not completely sure but now I am.

Posted about 1 year ago

slowrollz

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+1

There is no jamming over your bet on the river. Whatever you bet you become pot-commited so you have 3 options: ship, c/f or c/x.



On the river, the SPR is already at about 1 to 1, so yeah, I see, you're either shoving, c/f or c/x.

Posted about 1 year ago

Ravzar

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This is not so much to do with your question but rather just in general, you play insanely tight normally but you're 3 betting A6s oop against an unknown... these things just don't seem to mesh well to me. The reason you haven't been 3 betting a lot is because of how tight you are but you're trying to exploit a tight image against someone who has 9 hands on you and could just think you're doing exactly what you're doing, trying to steal. At least the BB is almost always folding here since he has 600 hands on you and know you are often only 3 betting a value range. I just think if you're trying to widen your range SB vs BTN against an unknown with A6s probably isn't the best way to go about it... and therefore I am not sure why we are in this position in the first place. Nonetheless you did say it was probably a mistake. It just doesn't feel like a profitable spot to me.

I think it is optimistic to think that this guy is calling a river jam with 88 or 99 or even jacks. Imagine if we had this in the reverse and the villain posted this here and he was holding JJ and he said well this unknown guy 3 bets me in the SB and I am on the button and I just flat with JJ and the board is AT6r and he c bets, the turn bricks, he barrels me again , the river is a Q and this guy just shoves into me... hero?? What's our advice? Probably to fold against an unknown because at 50NL he probably doesn't have any bluffs in his range. So is a thinking player really thinking it is +ev to stack off in this spot without any read with a marginal hand like 88 - 99 and JJ? Of course, we don't know if he is a thinking player or not but I do feel like putting some of these more marginal holdings into his range for calling a shove on the river is still optimistic. I would also point out that because of the 3 bet pot and the SPR if this guy had a strong hand like a set there is actually no reason for him to raise on the flop or turn to get stacks in on the river... his call call line would be perfect because there are no draws out there and he could get the hero to stack off with so much worse hands. As for what we should do, I honestly have no clue but I don't think I would be in this spot with no reads in the first place.

Posted about 1 year ago

urb

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On the river, the SPR is already at about 1 to 1, so yeah, I see, you're either shoving, c/f or c/x.


0.8 to 1 to be precise.

Posted about 1 year ago

improva

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SCS

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Do you know what I prefer on my bread in the morning ?



peanut butter?

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Whisky?

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pickpokkit

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Hello???

We have 2 pair in 3 bet pot. AK, is calling us down, AJ and other Ax maybe, KK maybe.

Jam Jam Jam.

Hello????

Posted about 1 year ago

shuttle

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This is quite possibly the easiest jam ever.

Posted about 1 year ago

slowrollz

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Something smooth and creamy?

Posted about 1 year ago




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